Wyatt's Ark of the Covenent

The presence of a tourist office at Ararat is evidence of tourists.There is a tourist office at Ayer's Rock, but it's hardly proof that Wandjina dreamt the earth into existance.This message has been edited by Dead Parrot, 05-01-2005 03:44 PM

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Ok, try these out:1) Artifacts including fossilised wood and rivets have been found at the site - but only by Wyatt. None of the dozens of other expeditions have found any such items.2)It is not the same size as the ark, no matter which cubit you use.3)David Fassold, who also supported the site, now believes he may have "misinterpreted the data".4)Turkish geological survey reports from the site indicate it is an allochthonous block (ie, a landslide)There may or may not be a visitor centre. The tourismturkey.org web site neglects to mention if Akyayla or the peak of Agri Dagri is the one true site, and also suggests Mt Cudi as worth a visit to see the ark, but they do helpfully provide a link for investment opportunities on the front page."Be sure to try the local dessert, asure (Noah's Pudding), believed to have first been made by Noah's wife from the last bits of food on the ark." - Thanks, I'll pass.This message has been edited by Dead Parrot because he can't proof read, 05-02-2005 10:08 AMThis message has been edited by Dead Parrot, 05-02-2005 10:17 AM

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Oops. I didn't know he'd also been, err, promoted.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Jim,Two issues for you to address: The first is This article (probably the only time you see me linking to AiG!) which raises a few doubts on Wyatt's claims: The fact that AiG have thier own ark site may not be irrelevant when deciding upon thier impartiallity.

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Radar shows man-made (boat) structure..........FALSE
There is a regular metallic pattern............FALSE
Lab tests show petrified laminated wood........FALSE
Turkish scientists found metal rods............FALSE
Metal artefacts have been proved by lab........FALSE
There are 'ship's ribs' showing................FALSE
There is lots of petrified wood................FALSE
Turkish Commission says 'it's a boat...........FALSE

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The second is Wyatt's claim that he found a titanium alloy rivet at the site. Given the inherrent difficulties in extracting titanium (it has to be done in either an argon atmosphere or a hard vacuum to avoid re-oxidisation), one has to wonder where Noah managed to find modern equipment in the bronze age. I believe you also need coke to reach temperatures high enough, which apparently didn't exist pre-flood.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Well, at least we agree on one thing. But it would be nice to see something a bit more tangible other than he-said I-said. Is there any independant substantiation of any of Ron's claims? Or should I toss a coin and go with either Ron's site or AIG to find the truth?(Now THERE'S a scary thought.)One blurry photo and a drawing does not made conclusive proof for the Ark of the Covenant, any more a photo of marker tapes is proof of Noah's Ark.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

I think what Jar would like to see (I know I would) is some confirmation from an outside source, something that that doesn't involve giving Wyatt's estate money for a blurred video.As luck would have it, I'm off the the central city library in a few hours, so if you'd care to let me know a few references I'd be happy to collect the items, scan them, and add them to this thread.On edit - Don't forget to include something on the manufacture of titanium alloy rivets in the bronze age.This message has been edited by Dead Parrot, 05-03-2005 11:45 AM

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

"No" would have saved bandwidth.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Dr. Lennart Moller
Dept. of Medical Nutrition
Center for Nutrition & Toxicology
Research Park NOVUM
Karolinska Institute
S-14157 Huddinge
Stockholm, Sweden
46-8-608-9189
FAX: 46-8-774-6833I'd trust him to advise me on my diet, but what are his qualifications for ark-eology?

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

That's why I asked. Are you going to answer, or is this another futile quest for information? I give up. Tell me. Then tell me why I should care. Assuming they can be bothered to read it. I never said he was. I'm sure he's an excelent nutritionist, but that wasn't what I asked.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Monty Python's "Life of Brian" had a budget of $4 million, so it must be twice as accurate. Go and see that instead.Incidentally, Jim, will Dr. Moller's film answer any of the questions you've carefully avoided in this thread, or will we have to wait for you to do so?

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Jim, since you're on at the moment, could I prompt you for some answers to the questions raised in this thread? In case Jar's links are confusing you, I've spent a minute or two summerising them. Please have the courtesy to spend the same time answering them.The alter of the calves:
Why are there no calves?
Why are there lots of other animals?
Why are there men waving their wangs?
Why is there no order to the pictographs?
Did RW publish only supportive data?
Did RW publish the fact that pictographs are common in that area?
Did RW publish the fact that the pictographs have been dated to 6000-3000 BC?Tourism and Travel:
In what way was the USSR not secular?
In what way is Turkey not secular?Noah's Ark:
Why has no one but Wyatt found artifacts?
Why is the wrong size?
Why would a geological survey find it to be a landslide?
Why did Fassold change his mind?
And I'd still like to know, how did Noah produce a titanium alloy?And Finally:
What are Dr. Moller's credentials for Archaeology? I appreciate that more resarch may be required for some of these (such as Noah's titamium) but please specify your current hypothesis. Other questions, such as those regarding Ron's writings, should only take a minute.

It seemed a reasonable position. I like to know that the guy who's drilling my teeth has studied dentistry, or that my taxi driver has a driving license (Although I don't look too closely when I'm in New York).I just wanted to know if Dr Moller was qualified in the field, and he isn't. I had no idea knowledge could be gained by osmosis. I shall read up on this. Shit, Jim, I KNOW a couple of surgeons but I don't go around pulling people's kidneys out. I just don't know what to say. Pity about the width. It must be a long way down for no one else's drilling cores to produce any signs of wood, but I can live with that. I have, but unfortunately I've also looked at others. So, only Ron's allies can see any evidence. Ahh. Thank you for the clarification. Thanks Jim - A straightforward, honest answer. It wasn't really that hard was it? Again, thank you. I should have suspected an evil conspiricy of atheist Turkish archeologists - don't know what I was thinking. I loved them. I might even frame them and hang them on the wall.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Jim, could you just comfirm-
Did Ron (or do you) mantain the Earth is 6000-odd years old?
I don't want the thread wandering into the dating game, it's just an side question.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Jar, Jim:
There is a brief timelime for Turkey here. It includes the following entry:1928 - Turkey becomes secular: clause retaining Islam as state religion removed from constitution.Hope this helps...

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Lysimachus,If God doesn't want the Ark revealed yet, aren't you doing Him something of a disservice by writing about it? He's gonna be pissed when it comes to the end of the world, yells "Gotcha!" and whips out the Ark, only to find everybody wearing Ark T-shirts and discussing cherubim alignment.OK, I'm being slightly facetious, but how can you expect to convince people when it's not meant to happen? And why would you want to?

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.