Wyatt's Ark of the Covenent

JimSDA: I'm willing to give Ron Wyatt the benefit of a doubt that his location of Jabal El Lawz maybe the actual site where Moses received the Ten commandments? I had friends who worked with Ron Wyatt in Turkey at the presumed site for Noah's Ark. I met David Fasold in 1992 when he stopped by the Israeli Kibbutz to confirm the tour to Turkey to the Noah's Ark site planned for June 1992. Unfortunately, it was cancelled at the last moment. I agree with you about Turkey being a secular nation in name only. Please don't insult Nat.Geo. and PBS.National Geographic Society offers to fund excavations near Qumran, Israel a friend of mine plans for each year. He is the only one that can politely refuse Nat. Geo.'s funding. He disagrees with the way Nat. Geo. handles their expeditions. Minor disagreements. Nothing major.

What makes you say that it is unrealistic to give anyone the benefit of a doubt, ramoss? When you give someone the benefit of a doubt it shows that you are willing to look at their evidence in an impartial and fair manner whether you agree with their conclusions or not!

Jar: Turkey, like Egypt , has what are called 'tourist police' their job is to watch the foreign visitors visiting their nation similar to Syria's plainclothes secret police. The former Soviet Union had secret police watch the foreigners when they visited the USSR. A secret police watching the actions of every foreigner is hardly the actions of a secular nation.

Jar: The pictoglyphs show cattle, antelope or gazelles and sheep. Did the wandering Israelites have cattle,sheep and some antelope or gazelles when they left Egypt? With the unlikely probability of the Israelites having domesticated antelope and gazelles, it is possible the pictoglyphs at Jabal El Lawz were made by the Israelites? Unfortunately, the site is controlled by the Saudi Military as part of their Operation Falcon defense installations. I cannot give an answer until I go to the site and carry out my preliminary survey.

Brian: The gentile nations didn't recognize Israel as a nation until the time of King Saul 400 years after the Exodus from Egypt. The Egyptians called them Hebrews when the Israelites were the Egyptians slaves. Did the Israelites recognize themselves as a nation during Saul's reign? Yes.But,their national existence didn't begin with Saul. That started with the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai wherever that is located? In Saudi Arabia? Traditional sites in the Sinai pennisula? or at Emmanuel Anati's Har Karkom site in Israel? Pictoglyphs have been found there similar to the Jabal El Lawz site.

Jar: The Turkish military overthrew unlawfully an Islamic centered coalition government Not a theocratic govenment. The turkish military was afraid the Islamic centered government would establish an Islamic republic. There wasn't any evidence that an Islamic republic would have been established by the Islamic centered coalition government. No matter how secular the military or the current government. Turkey is very much sunni Islamic!

Jar: Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a supporter of Ron Wyatt. I clearly asserted that I'm willing to give his evidence the benefit of a doubt. But, until the Saudi Arabian authorities grant clearance to non saudi archaeologists to conduct excavations at Jabal El Lawz I cannot say for certainty whether Ron Wyatt is right in his conclusions or wrong if I haven't inspected the site in question. Take another look at the photos of pictoglyphs. There are two human figures near the cow that might be bowing to the cow the arrow in red is pointing at? One human figure below the cow and the other at the rear of the cow.This message has been edited by ArchaicGuy, 05-03-2005 07:34 PM