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Author Topic:   Wyatt's Ark of the Covenent
Lysimachus
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Message 241 of 307 (206505)
05-09-2005 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Yaro
05-09-2005 1:28 PM


Re: Is Wyatt a prophet to you guys?
Yaro

quote:
You seem to take our critisim rather seriously. Do you think denying the verasity of Rons finds constitutes mortal sin?

I am in no way saying that anyone will go to hell fire or sin if they do not accept Ron's findings. Not in the least. But I do believe that any true Christian will not blatantly call them a "fraud" and call Ron a "liar". It will be a nuetral position, but I have not seen a nuetral position as of yet in this discussion board.

There is a big difference in saying "Ron was a big fraud and a liar" vs. "we'll just have to wait and see".


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Brian
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Message 242 of 307 (206507)
05-09-2005 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Lysimachus
05-09-2005 1:43 PM


Hi Lysimachus,

Ron was no prophet

Didn't Ron say that God told him to inform us that we would only see the Ark of Covenant when the time was right?

I may be mistaken, but I am sure that Ron passed on a message or two from God to tell us why so many of Ron's finds are absent.

Brian.


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PecosGeorge
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Message 243 of 307 (206526)
05-09-2005 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Lysimachus
05-09-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Dr. Lennart Moller's pics of the petroglyphs....
You don't have the ark.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 244 of 307 (206527)
05-09-2005 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 12:56 PM


Re: Angels
quote:
Jar, sorry, it was Charles Knight who said he doubted angels in message #204, and I got the two of you mixed up -- thought it was you who said it --

(Isn't Charles one of your clones? . . . )


I know some angels who'd participate in a scam.


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PecosGeorge
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Message 245 of 307 (206528)
05-09-2005 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 1:11 PM


Re: Jar is still lying about Ron Wyatt....
quote:
And here's yet ANOTHER guy on this forum -- ramoss -- who thinks there's absolutely "no" evidence to Ron's discoveries!

yes, there is! It's just bogus!

quote:
Amazing --

ramoss, why don't you show us all how "easy" it is to get something onto 20/20 or Dateline?

Go for it, my friend -- pick any of your pet projects, get in touch with the story editors of 20/20 and Dateline and SHOW US ALL HOW EASY IT IS TO GET YOUR STUFF ONTO NATIONAL TV


Queen Elizabeth' ingrown toenail would get on 20/20.

So there is your criteria for getting there.


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CK
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Message 246 of 307 (206529)
05-09-2005 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by PecosGeorge
05-09-2005 3:22 PM


Re: Jar is still lying about Ron Wyatt....
Well the Hitler Diaries were published, someone thought we would find stashs of WMDs in Iraq...the list is endless....

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PecosGeorge
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Message 247 of 307 (206530)
05-09-2005 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Lysimachus
05-09-2005 1:43 PM


you don't have the ark.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 248 of 307 (206532)
05-09-2005 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Lysimachus
05-09-2005 1:48 PM


Re: Is Wyatt a prophet to you guys?
quote:
Yaro

quote:You seem to take our critisim rather seriously. Do you think denying the verasity of Rons finds constitutes mortal sin?

I am in no way saying that anyone will go to hell fire or sin if they do not accept Ron's findings. Not in the least. But I do believe that any true Christian will not blatantly call them a "fraud" and call Ron a "liar". It will be a nuetral position, but I have not seen a nuetral position as of yet in this discussion board.

There is a big difference in saying "Ron was a big fraud and a liar" vs. "we'll just have to wait and see".


you mean neutral as in lukewarm. What is a true Christian?
Shall we hope it is someone who knows scripture and perhaps even God through knowing the scriptures and can, therefore, state with accuracy......you don't have the ark.


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JimSDA
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Message 249 of 307 (206540)
05-09-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by jar
05-09-2005 1:17 PM


Re: Is there some reason you still have not answered my questions?
Jar -- what an interesting idea, to publish things that disprove what you're trying to share with people . . .

First of all, Ron died in 1999, so it's a little hard for him to respond to anything that has come to light in the past 6 years!

If anyone provides some solid evidence that completely disproves something we have for evidence, of course we would agree with it!

The only problem, like I said before, when you are dealing with archaeological sites that are 3,000+ years old, and interpreting the evidence is going to be a bit up in the air! People are going to disagree about things!

You THINK that someone has successfully counter-dated some of the Saudi petroglyphs -- but the truth of the matter is that the issue is NOT settled! The debate will continue! And it may take YEARS for it to get settled, or it may NEVER get settled --

The ONLY way the truth can be known for sure is if we had a Time Machine, BUT WE DON'T!


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JimSDA
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Message 250 of 307 (206541)
05-09-2005 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Brian
05-09-2005 1:49 PM


"Absent" proof? Hardly!
Of the 7 major discoveries that Ron worked with, ONLY ONE of them is "absent" regarding having evidence for it, and that's the AofC.

There is TONS of evidence for Noah's Ark, S&G, the Red Sea crossing site, the real Mt. Sinai, Joseph's grain bins, and the wooden lift machines used for building the pyramids.

Ron always said that the revealing of the AofC to the world would happen in God's timing, so until it is time for it to be shown we can spend that time investigating the other 6 discoveries, the ones that have all the evidence right out in the open for the most part!


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CK
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Message 251 of 307 (206542)
05-09-2005 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 4:25 PM


Re: Is there some reason you still have not answered my questions?
Can't one of you just ask an Angel?* Was it only Ron who could see and hear them? What about the strange voices ? was only Ron about to hear and "project" them?

* Admin: That may seems a daft question but if we are told that part of the "evidence" was angels, it seems entirely proper in this context.


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JimSDA
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Message 252 of 307 (206544)
05-09-2005 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by PecosGeorge
05-09-2005 3:22 PM


PecosGeorge on 20/20???????....
PecosGeorge, the same goes for you -- let's hear what all you've managed to get onto national TV!

Show us how "easy" it is!


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JimSDA
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Message 253 of 307 (206546)
05-09-2005 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by CK
05-09-2005 4:39 PM


Re: Is there some reason you still have not answered my questions?
Charles, angels do what God wants them to do -- and for some reason mankind does not get to see or talk with angels whenever we might like to! They remain behind the scenes, invisible -- mainly because they are not supposed to interfere with mankind's free will. God has given us all free will, and if we all knew without a doubt that we were being "watched" by invisible beings, it would affect our choices. People would get "paranoid," afraid of "being watched" -- so the best way to not become worried about being watched is for us not to ever see the angels who are watching!

The Bible says that the main thing that God has chosen to affect the spiritual growth of fallen mankind is "God's Word" -- so that's why I think the angels stay invisible for the most part, the spiritual growth that God wants to happen inside mankind is in our minds as we read the Word of God, the Bible.


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jar
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Message 254 of 307 (206547)
05-09-2005 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 4:25 PM


Why Wyatt is considered a joke.
Jar -- what an interesting idea, to publish things that disprove what you're trying to share with people . . .

Not just interesting, it's essential.

I think that your statement goes to the heart of the issue. You simply do not understand the scientific method and what is involved in ANY field of knowledge.

You are not taken seriously, you are laughed at, because you don't understand the basics of science. You cannot select and present only the evidence that supports your assertion. Instead, you must present ALL of the evidence as well as other reasearch on the subject.

First of all, Ron died in 1999, so it's a little hard for him to respond to anything that has come to light in the past 6 years!

Sorry but that's a cop out. Even if Ron's dead there are others still hawking the stuff. You can certainly fix your website and the folk at WAR can certainly fix theirs.

You THINK that someone has successfully counter-dated some of the Saudi petroglyphs -- but the truth of the matter is that the issue is NOT settled! The debate will continue! And it may take YEARS for it to get settled, or it may NEVER get settled --

There will always be folk who may disagree, but you can certainly add a promenent display on your site saying that the vast majority of folk in the field of dating petroglyphs date them to around 6000BC and none date them any more recently than around 3000BC.

In addition you and the folk at WAR can add pictures of the other petroglyphs found on the rock and show the images in context. You can show that far from being some "altar of calves" it's a graffiti wall, replete with dogs and sheep and hunters and camels and ibex and antelope and lots and lots of schlongs.

You can also point out that the picture of the alleged guard shack is not a guard shack at all, that there is no way from inside the shack to even see the gates and that it's most likely a communcations shack unrelated to your research.

Those are all things that are well within your power and capabilities and that require nothing that you do not already have.

If anyone provides some solid evidence that completely disproves something we have for evidence, of course we would agree with it!

I seriously doubt that. If that were true you'd have dropped most of this stuff hundreds of years ago. There is more than ample evidence that the universe is more than 6000 years old, that the flood never happened and that the Exodus never happened as described in the Bible.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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JimSDA
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Message 255 of 307 (206548)
05-09-2005 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by CK
05-09-2005 4:39 PM


Why are angels invisible?...
Charles, angels do what God wants them to do -- and for some reason mankind does not get to see or talk with angels whenever we might like to! They remain behind the scenes, invisible -- mainly because they are not supposed to interfere with mankind's free will. God has given us all free will, and if we all knew without a doubt that we were being "watched" by invisible beings, it would affect our choices. People would get "paranoid," afraid of "being watched" -- so the best way to not become worried about being watched is for us not to ever see the angels who are watching!

The Bible says that the main thing that God has chosen to affect the spiritual growth of fallen mankind is "God's Word" -- so that's why I think the angels stay invisible for the most part, the spiritual growth that God wants to happen inside mankind is in our minds as we read the Word of God, the Bible.


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