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Yaro
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Message 286 of 307 (206762)
05-10-2005 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by JimSDA
05-10-2005 10:24 AM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
There were about 10 other helpers along on that dig, and most of them were not Christians -- they were just nice guys helping Ron on his adventure --

If any of those people had gotten into the cave with the Ark, there is a good chance that God would have STRUCK THEM DEAD! So to make sure this did not happen, God arranged it so that the group did not manage to find a second entrance into the cave!

Believe it or not, God does not like killing people -- but as you have read elsewhere on this thread, 16 people have died over the years when they attempted to interfer with this dig!

Are you saying god would not be able to controll himself had the non christians entered th cave?

Why would god have to strike them dead? If god dosn't want to kill them he dosn't have to. After all, he is GOD!

From the sounds of it, if god has indeed killed 16 so far, he sure does like killing! I mean, a god, with infinit options open to him, has no choice but to kill?

Couldn't he just warp them somewhere else? Couldn't he perform some other action in his omnipotence?

Are you seriously suggesting that GOD has NO choice in the matter?

so who knows how many of the 10 people on Ron's team might have DIED if Ron had managed to get into the cave on this dig?

So you are saying that Wyatt led these people knowingly into a potentialy life threatening sittuation? I mean, he already knew about the 16 others who were "struck down", surely he knew that this area he was excavating could be a "smiting zone".

Essentially what you are saying is that Wyatt knowingly led these people into a situation where they may encure the wrath of god.

So God SAVED THEIR LIVES by not letting them into the cave, and Bernard Bradstater should be THANKING God that they were prevented from getting into the cave on that trip!

That's sooooo convenient. First off, the logic is flawed unless you are saying that god cannpt find an alternative to killing the people, secondly invoking an invisible man to explain your archeological faliur is akin to invoking magic.


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Lysimachus
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Message 287 of 307 (206793)
05-10-2005 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Yaro
05-10-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
Yaro,

quote:
While I don't belive a word of Wyatts, nor the validity of his work, I don't doubt that he was a kind a well meaning person.

Then if you believe he had well meaning, you will not be disrespectful with your avatar you chose. I think it's downright rude and disrespectful for you to be mocking Ron Wyatt with your picture.

quote:
Are you saying god would not be able to controll himself had the non christians entered th cave?

Why would god have to strike them dead? If god dosn't want to kill them he dosn't have to. After all, he is GOD!

From the sounds of it, if god has indeed killed 16 so far, he sure does like killing! I mean, a god, with infinit options open to him, has no choice but to kill?

Couldn't he just warp them somewhere else? Couldn't he perform some other action in his omnipotence?

Are you seriously suggesting that GOD has NO choice in the matter?


I guess you never read the story of Uzza and Nadaab and Abihu, heh? They were all struck dead for similar acts. Uzza dissobeyed the command of the Lord and touched the Ark. Nadaab and Abihu offered strange fire in the sanctuary. Only those who are completely sanctified and cleansed from all sin can enter into the presence of the Ark of the Covenant. Ron Wyatt made it very clear that every time before he entered that chamber, he was not cherishing a single known sin in his life and confessed ALL to the Lord prior.

If wordly men think they can walk into the presence of the Ark of the Covenant without feeling any convinction from the spirit of God to cleans their hearts and berid of all sins in their life, it only goes to show you where their hearts are truly at, and that if they even dared to enter the presence of the Ark without repentance, they are only asking for death.

You see, the problem is, scientists are looking at this stuff from "purely" a scientific perspective. But this cannot be done, because the Ark of the Covenant is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one. There are religious powers guiding the revealing of the Ark of the Covenant, and it will happen in the right time.

You better be glad Yaro that the Ark of the Covenant has not been revealed to the world yet. Because you know what that means? If it was revealed, that means we would be a fraction away to the end of the world and the appearing of Christ in the clouds. Instead, the fact that the ARk of the Covenant is not revealed to the world as of yet at this time only means God is giving you more time to get your life in order and right with God. The delay is actually an act of mercy upon you, and you ought to be thankful that you still have time.

But you're not only one. Even I, a wretched sinner, have much to repent daily about. The end of the world will not come about until their a finally a people in the end who will uphold the Law of God and abide by His commandments FULLY.

Only then will Christ say:

Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

The signs are all around us. The Papal New World Order is gaining full steem ahead, and Protestant America and all the nations of the world will unit under one common ground. National Sunday legislations will take place, and only those few faithful people of God will not break the Sabbath of which the man of sin will attempt to change. Just as major catastrophes begin to hit the globe in quick succession, Protestants and Evangelicals will appeal to Congress and say "this is happening to us because this nation has drifted away from God", thus enforcing Sunday observance (The Mark of the Beast). All who give in to the Beast (Papacy) and his image (Protestantism, and all who conform to the Papacy (like President Push)) will receive the Mark of the Beast (symbolic).

Benedict XVI said his number one goal is to "unite all Christianity", and just recently he mentioned how he is determined to build bridges between Catholicism and other faiths. He is determined to bring the Muslims into harmony, and this new Pope is already gaining respect with Muslim leaders.

Then "all the world will wonder after the beast" and will make war with the saints (those few Christians who uphold the true, Seventh-Day Sabbath, and are pure in heart). This is the time were God will work wonders for his people and he will protect them in the Time of Trouble.

The natural catastrophes will be blamed on the Christians, and the "beast and his image" will rationalize and say "it is better for a few to perish than for all the world to perish". So they will feel it a duty (by taking various scipture out of context) to kill these "stubborn people" who will not comply with the "laws".

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Lysimachus
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Message 288 of 307 (206795)
05-10-2005 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Yaro
05-10-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
quote:
Essentially what you are saying is that Wyatt knowingly led these people into a situation where they may encure the wrath of god.

No, no, Ron Wyatt was a learning man himself. God was teaching him, and what God taught him was he did the wrong thing in bringing those men. Ron Wyatt was not perfect, and he made wrong decisions, but his life testified that he always did what he knew to be right. When he found out that he did something wrong, he always did all that he knew to correct it.

It was all a learning process.


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PecosGeorge
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Message 289 of 307 (206819)
05-10-2005 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Lysimachus
05-10-2005 2:11 PM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
quote:
Only those who are completely sanctified and cleansed from all sin can enter into the presence of the Ark of the Covenant. Ron Wyatt made it very clear that every time before he entered that chamber, he was not cherishing a single known sin in his life and confessed ALL to the Lord prior.

No, no, Ron Wyatt was a learning man himself. God was teaching him, and what God taught him was he did the wrong thing in bringing those men. Ron Wyatt was not perfect, and he made wrong decisions, but his life testified that he always did what he knew to be right. When he found out that he did something wrong, he always did all that he knew to correct it.


I suppose the utter contradiction in these two paragraphs escapes you?

This is stuff as I have never seen before and I have seen some stuff.

'Sanctified and cleansed from all sin'.....and 'Ron Wyatt was not perfect'.

Too bad god didn't tell him before he brought those men. So impossibly remiss and derelict in duty, didn't god know Ron would do such foolishness?

Made wrong decisions, did what he knew to be right???????
Small wonder non-believers are laughing their duchus off.
Built-in obsolescence and the ark go hand in hand. Its purpose was complete at calvary. It has no other function than what it did B.C.

(I need a drink. Ugh! I don't drink).


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Dead Parrot
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Message 290 of 307 (206826)
05-10-2005 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Lysimachus
05-10-2005 2:02 PM


You better be glad Yaro that the Ark of the Covenant has not been revealed to the world yet. Because you know what that means? If it was revealed, that means we would be a fraction away to the end of the world and the appearing of Christ in the clouds.

Lysimachus,

If God doesn't want the Ark revealed yet, aren't you doing Him something of a disservice by writing about it? He's gonna be pissed when it comes to the end of the world, yells "Gotcha!" and whips out the Ark, only to find everybody wearing Ark T-shirts and discussing cherubim alignment.

OK, I'm being slightly facetious, but how can you expect to convince people when it's not meant to happen? And why would you want to?


Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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JimSDA
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Message 291 of 307 (206828)
05-10-2005 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by CK
05-10-2005 11:07 AM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
Charles, how about this version of an article?

"Charles Knight and several members of the EvC discussion forum attempted last week to break into a cave in the Garden Tomb area in Jerusalem to disprove the claims of the late Ron Wyatt of Nashville, TN, but for a mysterious reason all 10 of the EvC forum members were struck down just outside the cave system by mysterious circumstances, and they all died en route to the hospital."


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Yaro
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Message 292 of 307 (206829)
05-10-2005 5:46 PM
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05-10-2005 5:15 PM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
JimSDA,

Why hasn't the isrealy govt. Torn the countryside apart looking for Wyatts site?

Certainly an artifact of that callibur would attract more attention beyond obscure internet message boards and mail-order videos.


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Nighttrain
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Message 293 of 307 (206837)
05-10-2005 6:40 PM


Can`t you revoke the power of the Ark by standing a facsimile of the True Cross upright and hopping around it three times counter-clockwise on one leg?
This thread is getting more surreal as it goes along. Time for a reality check.

jar
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Message 294 of 307 (206848)
05-10-2005 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by JimSDA
05-10-2005 5:15 PM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
"Charles Knight and several members of the EvC discussion forum attempted last week to break into a cave in the Garden Tomb area in Jerusalem to disprove the claims of the late Ron Wyatt of Nashville, TN, but for a mysterious reason all 10 of the EvC forum members were struck down just outside the cave system by mysterious circumstances, and they all died en route to the hospital."

You know, if that statement wasn't so totally childish and sophomoric, it might be considered a threat. But fortunately, it is childish and sophomoric and so can be simple chalked up to the nonsense of an infantile poster.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 295 of 307 (206850)
05-10-2005 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by jar
05-10-2005 7:29 PM


Behave!
Jar, I don't think that the personal remarks were needed!

In fact the post is so obviously silly that I don't think any comment at all was needed to point that out to anyone. (note my comment is on the post)

I will suspend you at the next breach anything even close to this.

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Message 296 of 307 (206855)
05-10-2005 8:00 PM
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05-10-2005 7:31 PM


Yes Boss
I will try to behave.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 297 of 307 (206856)
05-10-2005 8:05 PM
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05-10-2005 8:00 PM


Re: Yes Boss
Since we are reaching the 300 mark - I'd like to thank all my fellow performers (on both sides) for their great work and the production of much comedy gold. I think that Brian and his talking hand must be the winner however.

That is all.

(Since the answer to every question is "God hid it, God will murder you" - what sensible questions are actually left to the rational man?)

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Message 298 of 307 (206861)
05-10-2005 8:34 PM
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05-10-2005 8:05 PM


Re: Yes Boss
what sensible questions are actually left to the rational man?

Here's a question - do you think if we passed this stuff on to the Pythons they might get back together to make another film ? I mean, this stuff would fit right in with Life of Brian and Holy Grail :)


09/04/05 - Sharks attacked
30/04/05 - Wasps swatted
14/05/05 - More of the same ?

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Message 299 of 307 (206875)
05-10-2005 9:40 PM
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Re: Yes Boss
Here's a question - do you think if we passed this stuff on to the Pythons they might get back together to make another film ? I mean, this stuff would fit right in with Life of Brian and Holy Grail

Sounds like an idea. Some of this stuff made about as much sense as the "5 minute argument" sketch :)


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JimSDA
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Message 300 of 307 (207119)
05-11-2005 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Yaro
05-10-2005 5:46 PM


How dangerous is the AofC?....
Yaro, think about it -- why wouldn't the Israelis go after the AofC?

Do you recall that the Jews don't really like Jesus?

We told them that Jesus' blood is on the mercy seat -- that is one reason why they are not extremely interested in getting to the AofC!

The other reason is that the Jews know that the Arabs will NOT like it if the AofC was in the possession of the Jews -- the Ark was often carried into battle to defeat the enemies of the Jews, and that would cause the Arabs to panic and get even more violent than they already are! The Arabs would freak out!

BTW, my post about "10 EvC forum members found dead in Jerusalem outside AofC cave" was just an extension of what Ron says has already happened to 16 people -- because God can stop anyone He wishes from messing with the AofC!

I'm more than happy to let anyone go over there and try his or her best to get into the cave!

In fact, I'd love to see the day when all the world's foremost religious leaders might line up outside the cave and then go inside one at a time -- the pope, Hal Lindsey, pentecostal pastors, Indian holy men, the Dali Lama, the president of the USSR (don't kid yourself, atheism IS a religion!), a Baptist, a Lutheran, an Episcopal gay pastor, a Moslem Iman, a Jewish rabbi who hates Jesus, etc., etc. -- let them all go into the cave, AND WHOEVER CAN COME OUT ALIVE WILL BE THE WINNER!

That would settle it real quick as to who has the Truth!


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