Wyatt's Ark of the Covenent

We're not talking about interpretations here. What we are talking about is selectively withholding evidence. This is the type behavior that will get ANY archeologist, scientist or researcher fired every single time.This is such a serious breach of the scientific method that the person would not only get fired, he would never get another chance to work in ANY scientific field.Ron claimed to have found calf pictoglyphs. He has never shown a single picture of a calf pictoglyph. He has shown pictoglyphs that might be cattle, but not calves and even they have characteristics of Antelope and goats rather than cattle.But the big thing is that Ron neglected to tell people that the rock was covered by a variety of glyphs, sheep, dogs, goats, camels, men hunting, men waving their long shlongs (in latin that would be Biggus Dickus). Ron neglects to bring forth all of the evidence, instead only selecting and interpreting a small part that fit in with what he wanted to sell.Ron also failed to reveal (and in fact tried to mislead folk) that the art style he was showing is very common all over the Arabian Peninsula and across North Africa. In addition, he fails to mention that it is usually dated to a period between 6000-3000BC, nowhere near the dates for the alleged Exodus.I'm sorry, but what Ron Wyatt did is not a matter of differences in interpretation. When a researcher deliberately, selectively and consistently withholds data in his possession that might falsify his theory, it's called dishonesty. When he goes even further and colors the evidence that he does present he deserves no more than general contempt.

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For you to describe Turkey as is simply insulting and shows you know absolutely NOTHING about the world at large.I have not seen a more foolish statement here yet. Link to the CIA Factbook page on TurkeyNote that far from being a Moslem country as you wrongly claim, it is a republican parliamentary democracy and that a few years ago when an Islamic government was elected the Military stepped in and deposed them.

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Like I said, getting things done in the backwoods of a place that resembles a 3rd world country is extremely difficult! Also, who knows how informed the people of the entire country of Turkey are about the Noah's Ark site?? Do you guys think that the news media in Turkey works as good as it does here in the USA?? Don't be stupid, guys!The Visitors Center was in disrepair for a number of years, then a couple years ago it was repaired and now that things are "quiet" out there they tourists and scientists can again visit the site. The Visitors Center is in fine shape at the current time!Here's the one thing that has bothered me the most about all of this:The site was discovered and shown to the world in 1959, and printed in LIFE magazine in 1960 -- and here it is, 45 damn years later and we're STILL WAITING FOR THE TURKS TO GET OFF THEIR BUTTS AND LET US DO A FULL EXCAVATION ON THE SITE!!!You people want to complain about the "lack of evidence" -- well IT'S NOT OUR FAULT! The Turks control (or should I say don't control) the site -- and in my opinion when things start taking 45+ years to get excavated it shows real INCOMPETENCE on the part of the host country!Hey, if this thing had been found in the backwoods of Montana there's no way in hell that it would take us 45+ years to check it out and settle the issue!! But getting things done in Turkey obviously happen on a differnet time table --Bitch and whine all you guys want, I have my own list of gripes and complaints -- but MY gripes have to do with GETTING THE WORK DONE TO SETTLE THE ISSUE, and you guys just want to stop serious work from happening!Which in my opinion makes all of you guys pathetic examples of people who want to find the truth about any of Ron Wyatt's discoveries.This message has been edited by JimSDA, 05-01-2005 07:20 PM

Jar, are you going to tell me that Turkey is NOT a Moslem country??Then what is it?Christian?Buddhist?Hindu?Secular?Atheist?Give me a break! It's a Moslem country, and fortunately it is a rather modernized/westernized Moslem country -- but if you were to try to travel to the part of the country where the Noah's Ark site is located you would encounter villagers who look and act like they live in another century, i.e., they look like they live in a place that resembles a 3RD WORLD COUNTRY!

It's a Secular Nation.But let's return to the post you didn't answer about Ron Wyatts total dishonesty in reporting and presenting the Pictoglyphs. Would you like to address that since every attempt you've made to change the subject has been refuted?Also, since this thread started with Ron's claims about the Ark of the Covenent, how about presenting that evidence since you don't seem to have any for the other claims.

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Jim,Two issues for you to address: The first is This article (probably the only time you see me linking to AiG!) which raises a few doubts on Wyatt's claims: The fact that AiG have thier own ark site may not be irrelevant when deciding upon thier impartiallity.

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Radar shows man-made (boat) structure..........FALSE
There is a regular metallic pattern............FALSE
Lab tests show petrified laminated wood........FALSE
Turkish scientists found metal rods............FALSE
Metal artefacts have been proved by lab........FALSE
There are 'ship's ribs' showing................FALSE
There is lots of petrified wood................FALSE
Turkish Commission says 'it's a boat...........FALSE

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The second is Wyatt's claim that he found a titanium alloy rivet at the site. Given the inherrent difficulties in extracting titanium (it has to be done in either an argon atmosphere or a hard vacuum to avoid re-oxidisation), one has to wonder where Noah managed to find modern equipment in the bronze age. I believe you also need coke to reach temperatures high enough, which apparently didn't exist pre-flood.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Jar, that's a load of crap that Turkey is a "secular" nation!And as far as the petroglyphs, it was God who called the altar "the golden calf altar" -- it DOESN'T MATTER that adult cows or adult bulls or even people are drawn onto the rocks! In Egypt they worshipped bulls, and young bulls are called "calves" -- and if the golden figure was a young bull, then it's proper to call the thing "the golden calf altar"!Oh yeah, I can see Moses' brother yelling at the guys, "Hey you guys, just draw calves!..."Yeah, right --The partying rebellious Hebrews could carve ANYTHING THEY WANTED onto the rocks, young calves, old calves, guys who herded calves . . .The one and only thing that designates this to be the golden calf altar is THE GOLDEN CALF, which is long gone!!This message has been edited by JimSDA, 05-01-2005 07:56 PM

Dead Parrot, the AiG people are LYING.They only wish to promote their own sites for Noah's Ark, so they "interpret" Ron's evidence in a negative way.They are jerks.

Well, at least we agree on one thing. But it would be nice to see something a bit more tangible other than he-said I-said. Is there any independant substantiation of any of Ron's claims? Or should I toss a coin and go with either Ron's site or AIG to find the truth?(Now THERE'S a scary thought.)One blurry photo and a drawing does not made conclusive proof for the Ark of the Covenant, any more a photo of marker tapes is proof of Noah's Ark.

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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

Okay.So once again there is NO evidence. Please provide support for yet another assertion. I provided the link to the CIA Factbook. Let's see what you come up with. No, not true. It was Ron Wyatt that identified the site in question as an altar. I have no intention of letting you change the subject.Did Ron publish all of the evidence about the rock the petroglyphs were found on or did he select (and by the way modify) only certain pictures that he thought would support his claims?Does he include the fact that the pictoglyphs are common throughout the area?Did he include the fact that such pictoglyphs have been dated as being created between 6000-3000BC and not at the time of the alleged Exodus?

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Hi, Jim, I`d like more info on Mr. and Mrs. Noah`s bones that Ron allegedly found on Ararat. How did he confirm the skeletons? Surely he took piccies before they were allegedly stolen?

That makes sense. For those thousands of years there probably weren't very many visitors either. So, if you can speak on behalf of the Turkish Government like that, i guess there must be some official record of this decision that they made. Governments tend to keep records of things like that. Can you possibly provide some evidence of the Turkish Government making this decision? I will keep this in mind if I ever feel the need to score "points" with you and those you keep company with.I do not see anyone whining here. People are making intelligent arguments and making reasonable requests for evidence of the assertions you are making. Calling everyone "children" because they don't blindly accept what you say is the closest thing I can see here to whining.The only fact here is that those "facts" you have presented have nothing substantial to back them up. Back on topic, that photo of the Ark of the Covenant is ridiculous. it doesn't look like anything to me. I am not stating that it is definitely not the Ark, I'm simply saying that the photo does not even remotely measure up to sufficient evidence, it's as clear as mud. You'll need to do a lot better than that.

Nighttrain, Ron said he located what he believed were grave marker headstones for Noah's grave and his wife's grave -- these were NOT "on" Ararat, these were in the area of the resting site of the Ark which is on a smaller sister mountain that is 12 miles south of Ararat.Let's try to get this part of it straight, Ron's site for Noah's Ark is **NOT** on Ararat.Ron said that on one of his later trips to the area he saw that Noah's wife's grave had been dug up and her bones were gone -- and he heard that her jewelry had been sold on the black market and was gone.This is why Ron was always reluctant to share things with people -- because people have a tendency to destroy things and steal things.

Thor, you say that Ron's pic of the AofC looks "ridiculous" -- it's glowing in Ron's pic -- which just goes to show that you don't know a single thing about what the Bible says about the Ark of the Covenant!Try to quit using Steven Spielberg's movie as your one and only source of knowledge about the Ark!The Bible says that God's Shekinah Glory cloud resided over the mercy seat of the AofC -- and the Ark was NEVER looked at by common people -- only the High Priest would go into the Most Holy room of the Temple once a year on the Day of Atonement to sprinkle blood on the Ark! And even then maybe he never "saw" the Ark clearly with the cloud of God's glory blinding him!Pay attention to what the reality is regarding the AofC -- if Ron's pics show a glow around the Ark, IT PERFECTLY FITS WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US!This message has been edited by JimSDA, 05-02-2005 11:44 AM

JimCan you please respond to the questions raised in Message 55?

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