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Brian
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Message 61 of 307 (204335)
05-02-2005 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 11:43 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
Hi Jim,
The Bible says that God's Shekinah Glory cloud resided over the mercy seat of the AofC -- and the Ark was NEVER looked at by common people
What about some biblical references to support this claim Jim?
You say the Ark was never looked at by common people, but this is confusing as the Israelites often carried the Ark into battle, as at Jericho for example.
Also, the Philistines took possession of the Ark:
1 Samuel 4:10-11:
So the Philistines fought, and the Israelites were defeated and every man fled to his tent. The slaughter was very great; Israel lost thirty thousand foot soldiers. The ark of God was captured, and Eli's two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, died.
In fact, it is claimed that the Philistines took possession of the Ark for at least 7 months (1 Sam 6:1), so how, in all this time, was the Ark NEVER looked upon by common people?
which just goes to show that you don't know a single thing about what the Bible says about the Ark of the Covenant!
A tad ironic Jim.
Pay attention to what the reality is regarding the AofC -- if Ron's pics show a glow around the Ark, IT PERFECTLY FITS WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US!
Which references specifically state this Jim?
Which is just as supportive for a negative conclusion as it is for a positive one.
If Ron was making up stories, as he was apt to do, then of course his Ark would look something like the biblical description.
Think about the forgers of the Joash inscription and the James, 'brother of Jesus' ossuary, they made these items look as authentic as possible to fool potential buyers and scholars. Ron would be no different, if he was making it up, it would have to sound like the artifact described in the Bible.
Brian.

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JimSDA
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Message 62 of 307 (204367)
05-02-2005 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by jar
05-02-2005 12:07 PM


Re: Formally requesting supporting data and evidence.
Jar, identifying the golden calf altar is just one part of the puzzle, and the way that Ron saw the evidence at this site ALL the pieces fit together!
Ron read the ENTIRE Exodus story, he matched the route to the Red Sea crossing site being in the Gulf of Aqaba (where he found a kind of underwater landbridge with coral-covered chariot wheels and coral-covered human bones), then using the Bible he continued the route to Jebel el Lawz in Saudi Arabia that seems to have everything mentioned in the Bible -- which means it's Mt. Sinai!
As with any archaeological site that dates back thousands of years, things are not going to be in perfect shape at the site -- but Ron matched the route, and matched the crossing site, and matched the main items mentioned that should be at Mt. Sinai! And since this site appears to have the giant rock at Horeb that the water came out of, and an altar with Egyptian style cows and bulls on it, and the mountain top seems to be burned black (the Bible says that God descended on the mount in smoke and fire), Ron came to the logical conclusion that the mount at St. Catherine's Monastery is NOT Mt. Sinai, and Jebel el Lawz **IS** the real Mt. Sinai!
As for the other animal petroglyphs in Saudi Arabia, the Hebrews were made to wander in the land for 40 years after they refused to enter the promised land -- so what does it matter if there are more animal carvings??
Ron had faith that this was the real Mt. Sinai -- and it is not a sin for him to believe so! But it IS a sin for people to mock his conclusions without paying attention to his evidence!

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JimSDA
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Message 63 of 307 (204370)
05-02-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Brian
05-02-2005 1:34 PM


The AofC was covered
Brian -- Exodus 40:3 says that the Ark of the Covenant was covered with a veil. When the Philistines captured the Ark and it was on the cart it was still covered.
When the Ark was in the Temple, that's when I meant that "common people" could never see it, but it was also covered whenever it was carried out in the open.
And Leviticus 16:2 says that the Shekinah Glory cloud rested above the mercy seat of the AofC, "For I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat."

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jar
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Message 64 of 307 (204383)
05-02-2005 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 4:00 PM


Third request for supporting evidence.
You still did not answer any of the questions asked in Message 55 and again in Message 60
To make it easier for you, here they are again:
The one and only thing that designates this to be the golden calf altar is THE GOLDEN CALF, which is long gone!!
Okay.
So once again there is NO evidence.
Jar, that's a load of crap that Turkey is a "secular" nation!
Please provide support for yet another assertion. I provided the link to the CIA Factbook. Let's see what you come up with.
And as far as the petroglyphs, it was God who called the altar "the golden calf altar"
No, not true. It was Ron Wyatt that identified the site in question as an altar. I have no intention of letting you change the subject.
Did Ron publish all of the evidence about the rock the petroglyphs were found on or did he select (and by the way modify) only certain pictures that he thought would support his claims?
Does he include the fact that the pictoglyphs are common throughout the area?
Did he include the fact that such pictoglyphs have been dated as being created between 6000-3000BC and not at the time of the alleged Exodus?
No you bring in yet more usupported assertions and absolutely refuted ones.
There is NO evidence of a land bridge.
There is no evidence of coral covered chariot wheels.
AND
even if you did find chariot wheels, there is no evidence they are related to the Exodus.
Jim, please, answer the questions and provide ONE supporting piece of evidence.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Admin_Eta
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Message 65 of 307 (204392)
05-02-2005 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 4:00 PM


What Exodus???
It almost certainly did not occur.

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JimSDA
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Message 66 of 307 (204395)
05-02-2005 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Admin_Eta
05-02-2005 6:09 PM


Re: What Exodus???
Admin_Eta, seeing that you know it all, have you ever thought of starting your own religion?
There are a bunch of idiots on this forum who would gladly join you in your folly!
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JimSDA
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Message 67 of 307 (204396)
05-02-2005 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by jar
05-02-2005 5:21 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
Jar, I really feel sorry for you -- we've published books about Ron's discoveries, millions of people are seeing the material, and there are still doofuses like yourself around who keep saying "there's not one bit of evidence" --
You're right, for you there is no evidence!
For honest-hearted searchers for God, there is tons of evidence.

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Dead Parrot
Member (Idle past 3373 days)
Posts: 151
From: Wellington, NZ
Joined: 04-13-2005


Message 68 of 307 (204397)
05-02-2005 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 6:32 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
Jar, I really feel sorry for you -- we've published books about Ron's discoveries, millions of people are seeing the material...
I think what Jar would like to see (I know I would) is some confirmation from an outside source, something that that doesn't involve giving Wyatt's estate money for a blurred video.
As luck would have it, I'm off the the central city library in a few hours, so if you'd care to let me know a few references I'd be happy to collect the items, scan them, and add them to this thread.
On edit - Don't forget to include something on the manufacture of titanium alloy rivets in the bronze age.
This message has been edited by Dead Parrot, 05-03-2005 11:45 AM

Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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JimSDA
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Message 69 of 307 (204401)
05-02-2005 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Dead Parrot
05-02-2005 6:42 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
Dead Parrot, try looking at my webpage -- there you will see various TV programs that the discoveries have been on, and you will see the various books that have been published -- but since they were not printed by the people at National Geographic or PBS, the books will not appear on mainstream publishing lists!
Gee . . . could that have anything to do with the fact that both National Geographic and PBS have a certain "agenda". . . ?
Gee . . . let me think about that . . .
Yep, they definitely have an agenda, and that agenda is to either ignore or slam anything that shows evidence for anything biblical!
Gee . . . I wonder why they won't carry Mary Nell Wyatt's newly published Noah's Ark book? Hmmmm, it came out a couple months ago, but I guess National Geo-bullshit and PeeBS just didn't notice that the book came out . . .

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ramoss
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Message 70 of 307 (204402)
05-02-2005 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 6:32 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
YOu know, I don't care if you published books about Ron's discoveries. Without the corresponding evidence to back up those claims, those claims are worthless. A self published set of books by cultists is still just a bunch of gibberish.

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Nighttrain
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From: brisbane,australia
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Message 71 of 307 (204404)
05-02-2005 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 7:10 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
Hi, Jim, nice to know others have an agenda and you don`t. After the Six-Day War, Israeli archaeologists (after all, it is their history) crawled all over the Sinai looking for evidence of the Exodus. After all, you don`t move up to three million people plus a large number of livestock through a fragile environment like desert without leaving traces, even after millenia.People and animals die, artifacts are lost, the passage of so many mark trails,etc. In spite of a determination to find traces, nothing, I repeat nothing, connected with the Exodus, was found.

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JimSDA
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Message 72 of 307 (204425)
05-02-2005 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Nighttrain
05-02-2005 7:34 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
Nighttrain, you are absolutely RIGHT about how no evidence whatsoever was found on the Sinai Peninsula for the Exodus! They found nothing there BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENED AROUND ST. CATHERINE'S MOUNTAIN! This is what Ron Wyatt has been saying since 1979!! There is NO EVIDENCE for the Exodus in the Sinai because the crossing took place at the Gulf of Aqaba WHERE NO ONE EVER LOOKED BEFORE! And the Israelis NEVER went over into Saudi Arabia to check for evidence for Mt. Sinai!!! THAT'S WHERE ALL OF RON WYATT'S EVIDENCE IS, IN SAUDI ARABIA!!!!
Good grief, don't any of you people pay attention? . . . Ron and the rest of us have only been saying this for the past 25 years . . .
The Hebrews quickly crossed the Sinai Peninsula, the only part that is evidence is how the wadi (canyon) leads right over to the huge beach area at Neuwaba where they crossed the Gulf of Aqaba, but again, the Israelis NEVER looked over there for evidence!

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JimSDA
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Message 73 of 307 (204427)
05-02-2005 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ramoss
05-02-2005 7:17 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
Ramoss, if you will look at my website you will see that a scientist by the name of Dr. Lennart Moller fully re-investigated Ron's sites and published the materials -- he works in Sweden at the Karolinska Institute, right where they hand out Nobel Prizes!
I don't give a damn what the people with anti-biblical biases say about Ron's discoveries, because no amount of evidence will ever be accepted by them -- so take a look at Dr. Moller's website, 2022 -app -- he is producing a major documentary film for release in the theaters regarding this material!

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mikehager
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Message 74 of 307 (204433)
05-02-2005 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 8:41 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
I had in fact never heard of Ron Wyatt before I saw this thread and judging by the performance I have seen from his main supporter. JimDSA, I have no interest in learning more.

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Dead Parrot
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Posts: 151
From: Wellington, NZ
Joined: 04-13-2005


Message 75 of 307 (204434)
05-02-2005 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by JimSDA
05-02-2005 7:10 PM


Re: Third request for supporting evidence.
some confirmation from an outside source
but since they were not printed by the people at National Geographic or PBS, the books will not appear on mainstream publishing lists!
Gee . . . could that have anything to do with the fact that both National Geographic and PBS have a certain "agenda". . . ?
Gee . . . let me think about that . . .
Yep, they definitely have an agenda, and that agenda is to either ignore or slam anything that shows evidence for anything biblical!
Gee . . . I wonder why they won't carry Mary Nell Wyatt's newly published Noah's Ark book? Hmmmm, it came out a couple months ago, but I guess National Geo-bullshit and PeeBS just didn't notice that the book came out
"No" would have saved bandwidth.

Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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