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Author Topic:   Which Version of the Bible is the Word of God?
bluescat48
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Message 25 of 174 (496236)
01-27-2009 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Peg
01-27-2009 2:48 AM


Re: What is a "literal translation"?
all bibles in their original languages are the word of God

all bibles that have been translated correctly are the word of God

I would even go so far as to say that all bible translations are the word of God. Unfortunately, some of them are just badly translated.

How do you come to the conclusion that any translation or that even the original writings are the word of God? These are the words of men who wrote on what they saw, felt etc. They were originally told through word of mouth and only much later written down as the books now called the bible.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 28 of 174 (496322)
01-27-2009 5:38 PM
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01-27-2009 4:52 PM


Re: What is a "literal translation"?
prophecy, and there are many very accurate prophecies that have come true. And the writers of prophecy even admitted they did not know what they were writing. eg. Daniel's writings show that he had no idea what the 'wild beast' prophecies were about.

There is no evidence as to when or by who such prophesies were written not any evidence the the supposed prophesies were in fact fulfilled.

The truthfulness of the writers - they spoke openly about their own sins and their failings. Even Moses was punished by God and forbidden to see the promised land. Do you really think that if he was creating a new religion he would tell everyone how his God punished him? Leaders of nations dont usually do that.

We do not know who actually wrote these passages therefore we do not know whether what was said by whomever was really stated.

Laws - laws that man cannot enforce such as 'covetousness'- Its one of the 10 commandments, 'thou shalt not desire anything of your fellowmans' . Do you really believe that a man would invent a law that in unenforceable? And how could anyone know if someone was coveting their fellow mans possesions? How could a person be judged on such a law?

The 10 commandments weren't the first set of laws. There are other similar codes throughout the Mesopotamian/Canaanite areas. The So-called "Law," was set down by Levite Priests in the book of Leviticus. Whether this is even correct is subject to speculation.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 29 of 174 (496323)
01-27-2009 5:46 PM
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01-27-2009 4:39 PM


Re: What is a "literal translation"?
It is dated 1st century.

You didn't state whether that was C.E. or B. C. E. but in either case that is over 1000 years after the alleged stories in Deuteronomy were allegedly written.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 37 of 174 (496432)
01-28-2009 9:19 AM
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01-28-2009 4:09 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
In one way, the writers of the bible are not the all important thing, but it is still very well established who the original writers were.
Most identify themselves within the writing.

Again this is not evidence as to the writer or that what is written is truth. Anyone can write a story and give the implication that the main character in the story is the writer.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 51 of 174 (496690)
01-30-2009 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Peg
01-29-2009 7:05 PM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
it is a collection of many different scrolls. When the early collators put them together, they made them into book form. they decided where a verse and chapter begins and ends.

Well at least you got something somewhat correct. Except this was done several times. The P (Priestly) added to the creation story with the 2d story of creation. They added the geneology between Adam & Noah, they added the seven pairs of the clean animals to the Noah narritive, whereas the 1st story of creation is much older and is J (Jahwist) in nature as is most of the Noah narritive.


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Message 69 of 174 (497451)
02-04-2009 7:26 AM
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02-04-2009 4:12 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
i would go so far as to say that if any christian believed the apocryphal books were inspired, they would be wrong

Where is the evidence that any of the Biblical books are inspired and why?

Why is Esther inspired but Judith isn't?
Why is Daniel inspired but Sirach isn't?
Why is Jonah inspired but Tobit isn't?
Why is 1 & 2 Kings inspired but 1 & 2 Machabees isn't?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 87 of 174 (498421)
02-10-2009 8:59 AM
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02-10-2009 3:26 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
the bible uses a lot of poetic language, it uses metaphors to describe things in a way that people can understand. As an example, when the bible says that the moon is a 'light' in the night sky, from an earthly perspective, it is. And when it says that the stars are tiny, from an earthly perspective, they are.

That would be fine if people accepted them as metaphorical, which many do, these people are quite often referred to a theistic evolutionists.
The point is those who do not see these points as metaphorical but as literal.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 103 of 174 (498787)
02-13-2009 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Nighttrain
02-13-2009 5:52 PM


Re: OP or not to OP, that is the question
Can we assume there is no real Version, just muddled collections that contain additions, omissions, conflations and dogma?

That would seem to be the logical answer.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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