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Author Topic:   Which Version of the Bible is the Word of God?
Granny Magda
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Message 46 of 174 (496641)
01-29-2009 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Peg
01-29-2009 5:37 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
Peg, I know for a fact that we have discussed Mosaic authorship before and that I have mentioned the multiple authorship of the Pentateuch to you before. Look here. You know perfectly well that Mosaic authorship is disputed.

Ask yourself, what could have made you conveniently forget this fact? Could it possibly be because it does not fit well with your beliefs? It is very disappointing to see you repeating falsehoods when you already know them to be false.

Mutate and Survive


"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 50 of 174 (496662)
01-29-2009 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Peg
01-29-2009 6:58 PM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
Come off it Peg,

quote:
i dont have any doubt that these 'disputes' are the falsehoods.

Not the point. You said;

Peg writes:

There is no question as to who wrote Genesis.

I have shown that you know perfectly well that it is questioned. Whether you believe it or not is a separate issue.

quote:
The authoriship of the old testament writers were never questioned by the jews......

I think you'll find that Jewish theologians have a rich history of questioning their own texts. The tradition of crediting Joshua with the passages describing Moses' death, for example, goes back to the Talmud. Note that questioning Mosaic authorship need not necessarily mean denying it.

I am also intrigued by your comment about Jews being "the people who actually know". I wonder, why are you so keen to believe them with regards to Moses, but so quick to differ when it comes to the claim that Jesus was/was not the Messiah?

quote:
higher skeptics of the 19th century do not make for valuable reading in my books and i dont fall for their baseless claims.

I'm sorry, but that is a statement born of total ignorance. Do you really imagine that Biblical criticism stopped in 1900? You are hand-waving away a century of scholarship, much of it done by Christians and, yes, Jews.

Ah well. feel free to delude yourself, but don't expect anyone else to fall for it.

Mutate and Survive.


"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 59 of 174 (497001)
01-31-2009 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Peg
01-31-2009 4:50 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
quote:
not according to josephus...

History does not stop at Josephus. There are Jewish scholars who deny Mosaic authorship, you have already had this pointed out to you. If all you are going to do is attempt to nit-pick at a single sentence from my post you are wasting your time and mine.

Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 77 of 174 (498065)
02-07-2009 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Peg
02-07-2009 8:04 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
Here is an example of the regard which the writer of the Epistle of Jude had for 1 Enoch. Compare these quotes.

quote:
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 14-15 (KJV)

quote:
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
1 Enoch 1:9

Sounds like I'm in big trouble come judgement day. :)

One Enoch is particularly interesting, not least because it clearly describes the flat-Earth cosmology that is implied in the canonical books of the Bible. It's somewhat off-topic, but there is an excellent treatment of this here, which you might find enlightening.

Mutate and Survive


"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 82 of 174 (498318)
02-09-2009 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Peg
02-09-2009 12:53 AM


Re: gimme those oldtime MS
I did mention that the flat Earth was off-topic, so I'm just going to redirect you to the link I provided before, this link. It talks at length about the flat Earth viewpoint in the Bible, with plenty of references to the canon, as well as showing how 1 Enoch provides a clear description of this flat Earth.

Take a look. If you want to discuss the subject further, let me know and I'll propose a thread.

For the mean time, I hope that you now agree that "the Christian Bible writers" did indeed quote from the Apocrypha.

Mutate and Survive


"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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