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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: On what do you base this claim ? He seems to be talking about the Hewbrew scriptures in general, not any specific scrolls. And at the time of his death - and likely the time of writing - he was living in Rome. I really think that you need to learn to read properly. This is hardly the first time you've had serious problems understanding that a book didn't say what you wanted it to say. It seeems to be a defect common to creationists.
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Peg Member (Idle past 5178 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
PaulK writes: He seems to be talking about the Hewbrew scriptures in general, not any specific scrolls. what do you imagine the hebrew scriptures to be exactly?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: Do you think that all references to "the Bible" refer to a specific copy kept in the Vatican or somewhere ? If not, what makes you think that Josephus is referring to specific physical copies kept in a specific place when the quote never suggests any such thing ? Also, what makes you think that he is writing about the past when the quote comes from an apologetic, not a history ? Why wouldn't he be writing about his present time ?
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Peg Member (Idle past 5178 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
PaulK writes: what makes you think that Josephus is referring to specific physical copies kept in a specific place when the quote never suggests any such thing ? what makes you skeptical that the Jews kept their scriptures at the temple in Jerusalem? Are you also skeptical that the synagogues in other cities had the hebrew scriptures located there? Are you skeptical that the jewish religious system kept any copies of hebrew scriptures anywhere?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: The fact that it was a burnt-out ruin. As I keep saying.
quote: I've already said that they had copies. Try to follow the conversation. (i.e. remember the context).
quote: Obviously not. Are you ? If not, tell me why you think that Josephus must have been talking about specific copies kept at the Temple.
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Peg Member (Idle past 5178 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
PaulK writes: The fact that it was a burnt-out ruin. As I keep saying. the temple stood for many centuries before its final destruction by the romans. What was in the temple before 70CE? Are you saying that it did not hold any scriptures in it before its destruction in 70CE.?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: No, I'm disagreeing with your claim that Josephus writing c100CE (your date) must have been talking about specific copies of the Jewish scriptures held at the Temple. Why exactly are you having such difficulty understanding that ?
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Peg Member (Idle past 5178 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
first please explain why the temple would not have housed copies of the hebrew scriptures
you already agree that other synagogues would have, but why is it unlikley that the temple would have housed them?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: I keep telling you why. Because it was a burnt-out ruin.
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Peg Member (Idle past 5178 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
PaulK writes: I keep telling you why. Because it was a burnt-out ruin. it was perfectly in tact up until 70CE
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: And Josephus was writing about the situation c100CE (your date). So the Temple was a burnt-out ruin at the time he wrote.
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Peg Member (Idle past 5178 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
he wrote many writings about the history of the jews
historians, as i said earlier, write 'history' he wrote history BTW, Josephus's 'day' spanned his whole lifetime...not just the later years of his life when he wrote most of his writings. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
quote: Contra Apion is an apologetic work rather than a history.
quote: Which does not in any way change the date when Contra Apion was written, nor change the fact that the passage in question is about the situation as it was then - not as it wasmore then twenty years earlier.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3691 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday Peg,
Peg writes: historians, as i said earlier, write 'history'he wrote history So you believe everything Josephus wrote, do you? Josephus wrote that Vespasian healed a blind man.Do you believe that 'history' ? Josephus wrote that a cow gave birth to a lamb.Do you believe that 'history' ? Kapyong
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