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Author Topic:   Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?
P e t e r
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Message 24 of 259 (81918)
02-01-2004 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Revenge of Reason
01-30-2004 11:11 AM


reflections
Do Christians even reflect on the things the Bible says?
Duh!
Take for example the thought process of this:
1) God creates Earth, man, animals, etc.
Upon reflection, verse indicates animals were made before man.
2) God tells Adam and Eve to not eat from the tree of knowledge
Upon reflection, verse indicates God told man about the tree and then made woman later.
3) Duped by Satan they do in fact eat from the tree
Upon reflection verse indicates Eve was decieved, Adam was not decieved but obeyed Eve's offering.
4) Mankind is punished by God and original sin is introduced
Upon reflection, verse indicates what a man sows he shall reap.
IE, Peter says to Revenge of Reason, don't jump off a cliff.
Revenge for Reason jumps off a cliff and is injured, you're not punished by Peter for jumping. Your injured cause you jumped off the cliff, nitwit.
5) God later appears on Earth in the shape of a man on the cross to absolve this sin
Upon reflection, verse indicates God sacrificed his son for the sin of many. Many others are in opposition to this feat and decline His gift.
Reflect on that!
[This message has been edited by P e t e r, 02-01-2004]

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P e t e r
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Message 33 of 259 (82130)
02-02-2004 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by crashfrog
02-01-2004 1:43 AM


Maybe you're not old enough to know how this works, but in our world - that is, a moral one - if you have the ability and foreknowledge to prevent somebody from coming to harm, you have a responsibility to do so. Even if the harm is self-caused.
Now that you've acknoledged a "moral world" whose code of morals do you ascribe to?
Sort of smacks of that old tree of knowledge of good and evil.
I'm assuming the greastest commandment isn't on your agenda.
Also I'm assuming some harm is coming your way, so I'll warn you to take heed of the glad tidings as read in verse.
If it's Peter's cliff, and he owns it, and knows that RoR is going to jump off, and is standing right there and could stop him, Peter has to do so. It's his moral imperative.
The beauty of, if's.
An all-powerful, all-knowing God is always in a position where he could prevent harm. That he does not do so either means he's amoral, powerless, or non-existent.
I'm assuming you're guessing or you have intimate knowledge of God to say such things about Him. Either way, to make those statements you'd violate a moral code as seen in verse. See above warning about possible harm coming your way.
One question though, if God is all knowing then why does He ask; "Where art thou" when Adam and Eve are hiding in the garden?

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P e t e r
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Message 46 of 259 (82534)
02-03-2004 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by crashfrog
02-02-2004 9:23 PM


RE: moral world
Why, the one that our society chose to adopt.
That would be the society that prints "In God We Trust" on their money.
Seems you're out of sync.
That includes a number of things, such as "the lawgivers are not above the law" and "people have responsibilities to those in their care."
I see your point, but, if the lawgivers are not above the law, then how can the lawgivers execute the law on everyone?
IE: Police don't violate the speed laws when they have their lights and siren on.
Or everyone and or entity pays taxes except for the lawgiver who collects taxes.
Heh, God's going to strike me down for blasphemy? I guess I'm not really afraid of folks that don't exist.
Ummm, guess cliff jumpers come in various forms.
You don't believe that it's God's world, or that he's able to watch us all at once, and has the ability to intervene whenever he chooses? Funny, most Christians seem to.
My bible says friendship with the world is enemity with God.
My bible says there's whole lot of people he never knew.
My bible says Jesus couldn't do much miracles in certain places because of their unbelief.
Guess some flexiablity is needed on what can or can't be.
How could I have intimate knowledge of a figure that doesn't exist?
A rather definitive statement, are you basing that statement on verifiable proof that He doesn't exist or a whole lot of faith based on very little evidence?
I'm just saying that there's obvious inconsistencies when you try to reconcile an all-powerful, benevolent deity with the real world that we observed.
Perhaps drawing conclusions from erroneous presuppositions produces such inconsistencies.
Again, I don't claim to have any better knowledge of god than anybody else. I'm just saying that if you're going to propose that this world is watched over by an all-powerful, benevolent deity, you have some questions to answer.
From your defining statements about God you've made, I'd say you have some incorrect perspectives.
I don't recall any verse saying an "all-powerful" God watches over this world.
However a verse or two come to mind that He can watch if He chooses too.
RE: "One question though, if God is all knowing (as you say) then why does He ask; "Where art thou" when Adam and Eve are hiding in the garden?"
He's not my god. Why don't you tell me?
Not only don't you believe in God as you have said, but you're missing some good pointers in verse about Him.

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