Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?

If you are assuming God is a being like you and I, then you are correct. If, However, there is a God who created matter(us too) then we can make no assumptions as too his designs. It is impossible to characterize that God as amoral, powerless, or for that matter anything at all... That is why there are no absolutes when debating an unknown...

The same ability to tell right from wrong is not the same as being like a creator of the universe. There are references in the Bible about similarity to God, but there is still a distinct difference between us and the Creator.You here many Christians talking about God's plan. Who knows? Just because we expect God to act one way means nothing. Because we do not understand a willingness for God to let suffering take place does not mean there is no reason.Again, our understanding can not be linked to God's design. If the Christian God exists, then how can anyone pretend to grasp the awesome nature of such a Being? Too often Christians force every word of the bible as absolute truth. If you have a all powerful God, the laws of science do not apply to the many arguments debasing Christianity, because anything is possible. So did the arc really exist, did Adam , Eve and the garden exist? Logical, intellectual thinking says no way. Is it possible there are truths to the stories, absolutely. With a God that created time itself anything is possible.

I mean both. A God that could create time itself is obviously not like us. Scriptural references give things like we were made in Gods image, etc, but it never states we are like God in his abilities. So a entity that has those abilities would be beyond comprehension. I think that a distinction between the two is logical.

Ok, the stupid Christian needs someone to tell him how to make the message boxes from my resonder appear in my response
Crashfrog,
I am not debating our abilities to determine right from wrong from God's. I agree with you on that point. I am sayin there are differnces as well. Again, the God that can create mattter is different tham me in many ways.I am not saying God is too complicated, Dont even try. The point I am making is not everything can, or has to be explained. I also disagree that an intelligent God has to have his actions understood by everyone. Why? You state "intelligent plans make sense. Always? What if the plan includes thigs we do not know. Just because we do not know does that make a plan bad? Just becasue everyone does not nderstand does that make a plan bad?Why is it so bad to live in a irrational universe, as you put it? The fact is everything can not be explained by science. I think my point is that a being that created EVERYTHING may have a plan which we cant always understand. And as sidelined or rrhain or somebody said in a previous thread, i can live without having all the answers.

I do not think God has any "moral responsibility" or that there is a "Moral Imperative" to explain any plan. nor Do I think that this makes the universe irrational, or science useless. It is unlikely we will agree because I believe in a creator and you do not.(Or it seems you do not) Through faith I believe that God desires us to desire him. To me it is that simple. I dont really care if there was an ark, or an adam and eve, or if those are stories or half truths. Faith is strange, and not scientific, and the answers you say we are finding will ALWAYS lead to more questions. Anyway, this is a great site, and I hope my talk of faith, and my point of view are welcome.

To answer most of your questions...No it does not bother me that I have no way to tell the difference. I do believe in a moral God but I have no videotape to prove Him. It is very hard for me to believe that there is not a creator. I know that begets more questions like who created the creator and so on...But either "stuff" was out there...and it was just there...or something created it. Is that not the central question? Faith leads me to a creator. I can understand skeptics to Chrisitanity. You think I dont turn on the TV, see a blue haired lady asking for money in the name of God, and woder how we can possibly believe the same things? Human nature is weird, and people will do anything for money. INcluding using religion. Faith and religion , however are mutually exclusive.

I did not say I was not involved in religion, I said they are exclusive. And your statement "religion is just the things you do because you feel that they're the logical consequences of your faith." is absoulutely true. Too often people confuse the two, both believers and non-believers.Yeah, my church said the same thing, but:1) They said it was important to go to church, worship, and take part in other ritualsI have found for me, it is important. That is not to say it is neccesary for everyone. Again, for me it helps to emmerse myself in His presence.2) They said it was important for Christians to behave differentlyDifferently than most, but not all. Christian teaching about kindness, love and compassion is different than the way most people treat each other. Unfortunately some Christians and churches dont always succeed.3) They asked for money.This was one of the hardest things for me. However, since I have served in several leadership positions in my church, I soon realized that all the money we received was going for good causes. No one was getting rich from tithes. Again I realize ther are plenty of situations of abuse.In summary, faith and religion are exclusive, but when used in concert religion can have beneficial results. Notice I said can, not does. we all know plenty of bad that has been done in the name of religion.What shaped your athiestic viewpoints? Family, friends, school? Have you ever been exposed to "rational" Christians, or are all your experiences based upon fundamentalist or strict creationist views ?