Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?

I thought it bizarre for smitty to add that bit about gay people.I have to agree with Crash. Science is not a religion, and gay people a sin? - That's a new one on me.
In the Bible I have only heard that lusty fornication with animals and same sex is a sin and confusion, - YES LUST, but clearly gay people who love each other are not in lust/confusion. Logically I must say that the Bible does not tell us enough about gay people for us to accuse them of sin. Don't quite get what you mean by this though Crash?Unbelief is unbelief, just a choice to be secular e.t.c. It's not a religion - it's the opposite. No offence smitty but saying things like this is a bit controversial and is giving our side a bad name.

Well, I wont get into the gay marriage thing as I really don't consider it my business, but saying it's sin is not exactly right (in my view)- as Christ said "do not judge".As for America, well I've never been there so, I'll butt out.I just thought it was a bit newbie to say " science is a religion ". That just is NOT the case!

Good point. " Let the wheat grow amongst the chaff untill the harvest "
(from memory) " Lest by pulling out removing the chaff we risk the wheat "
" then we can gather the wheat to the barn and burn the chaff "Chaff/tares, can't remember which - they frankly confuse me. satan is at best - a jealous and greedy tyrant and trickster, making sure he can gather unbelievers using any method.

Your life.......sigh, ho hum, if only I hadn't heard this stuff a thousand times. That is just plain offensive. We study the scripture determindly, and in fact Jesus said his " sheep hear his voice " and he made parables even to confuse unbelievers, So basically ONLY the believers understand the teachings - and that's according to Christ." Blessed is he that believeth even though he has not seen "
" He that has ears to hear - let him hear "So basically, Jesus has said that the unbeliever will NOT understand, even if one " rose from the dead "
Unless you think Jesus wanted to gather unbelievers concerning these things. But then you have things like " the wrath of God abideth on him/her " - him/her being the unbeliever.Either way you lose, at best you don't hear and I am confident you will read the Bible a hundred times and not understand/believe. So indeed we reflect AND understand, even the Bible says this is true itself.

It's not hell I'm talking about remember - it's understanding of scripture. If someone writes a silly unthoughtful topic then I'm not going to go easy on that person. ( I've been here too long to suffer such things) Ofcourse I agree!!! But they don't ask in this way, they prefer hard of heart unbelief, so like Jesus said, " my sheep hear my voice "I'm only looking at what the NT says remember! if message 1 says we make out God to be dumb, then what the hell are they doing by saying there is no significance to Christ suffering.Message 1. is simply opinionated posting - my logic tells me that. If someone tries to make me look foolish like this then obviously I'm going to fight back. I'm not going to swallow trashy topics, or the "Bible according to unbelievers" without retorting. If they are saying I make my God out to be dumb then they know exactly what they're doing - flame throwing, and they're gonna take some posts of disagreement.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 02-08-2004]

I am guessing you have never heard of Howard Conder then. Infact, according to the scripture the Jews are God's people, and never haven't been. We are not a "chosen" group, God welcomes all, we may ALL be chosen but there is no barrier, Christ says he wishes no-one to perish, and anyone who comes to him will in no wise be cast out. Again, this is certainly not the case among all christians. The Jewish people worship the same God.Also, I have stated on this site that if Muslims worship God I do not necessarily see that as a bad thing. I think but I can't know for sure, that the Quran mentions the OT and NT, I've even heard it suggests following it. (Only heresay though).So, we are obviously going to think our religion is true or we wouldn't follow it. Does this make us arrogant? - only as arrogant as the next religion! Hmmmm...

Well, those christians telling you that you are going to hell have not read the NT. "Judge not, unless you be judged".(similar words)Likewise, it is not my business whether you are going to heaven or hell. It is my duty to tell you about heaven and hell, and what Christ has said and warned us about these places. They cannot possibly know where you will end up. Nor can they know for sure where they will end up. Many will claim to know christ but he said that he will say "I never knew you". If these people are hypocrites and users of Christ's words for their own means then I do not favour their chances of heaven. listen to the Master, not the servants.