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Author Topic:   The "Circle of the Earth"
jar
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Message 286 of 307 (434817)
11-17-2007 2:24 PM
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11-17-2007 2:13 PM


Re: Follow the bouncing ball.
However, one must also take into account for the many errors in the Bible.
Of course. And one of the errors is that the author(s) of Isaiah saw the world as a flat disk floating on and surrounded by water.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 287 of 307 (434819)
11-17-2007 2:27 PM
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11-17-2007 2:24 PM


Re: Follow the bouncing ball.
Jar,
And one of the errors is that the author(s) of Isaiah saw the world as a flat disk floating on and surrounded by water.
That is one of the supported theories but I think it is silly to conclude that.

Thank you
KISS

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jar
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Message 288 of 307 (434820)
11-17-2007 2:30 PM
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11-17-2007 2:27 PM


Re: Follow the bouncing ball.
That is one of the supported theories but I think it is silly to conclude that.
So far it seems that that is the ONLY supported theory.
If you think it is silly to conclude that, all you need to do is provide sufficient support for some other conclusion.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 289 of 307 (434829)
11-17-2007 2:58 PM
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11-17-2007 2:30 PM


Re: Follow the bouncing ball.
jar,
My interpretation of that verse is simply that GOD is being exalted. To read it any other way is silly because of the errors that are included in the Bible. We have no fact to prove otherwise. I will agree there are other theories with some support but mine has support as well. The errors.

Thank you
KISS

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Message 290 of 307 (434831)
11-17-2007 3:03 PM


Then End is Near
Only 10 posts left until End of Thread.
It is a good time to start winding down and presenting summaries, conclusions, or final comments.
Thanks for debating, carry on.
Magic Wand

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Message 291 of 307 (434909)
11-17-2007 11:16 PM
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11-17-2007 2:24 PM


Re: Follow the bouncing ball.
And of course all so called errors in the bible are errors in some men's perceptions of what actually is being said. A good example is the flat earth nonsense. Another is the obsessing on the circle of the earth, with some literal interpretation, that tries to make God out as not knowing the shape of the earth He made.
Give a little credit, and benefit of the doubt, will you?

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Brian
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Message 292 of 307 (434950)
11-18-2007 9:24 AM
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11-17-2007 11:16 PM


Join the dots
that tries to make God out as not knowing the shape of the earth He made. Give a little credit, and benefit of the doubt, will you?
Okay, since God obviously knows the shape of the world He created, and the author of Isaiah is mistaken, then there is only one logical conclusion isn't there?

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Brian
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Message 293 of 307 (434971)
11-18-2007 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Force
11-16-2007 5:05 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Poor Brian. Why do you consider me a fundy?
Because only a fundy can be so dense.
The Bible is a book that contains scripture that was hand copied for thousands of years by historical people that we do not know. The Bible is also known to have many errors when you compare the scripture to other scriptures(manuscrpits/translations).
This really has nothing at all to do with the question I asked you.
I never said that Jesus offered anything more.
Well, if you choose to believe in Jesus, then you do not believe in Osiris.
I believe that scripture contains a spiritual message.
Why, when you keep pointing out that the Bible cannot be trusted?
Why can the spiritual message be trusted if the Bible is full of errors and worthless?
I am going to level with you Brian. I have no idea how old you are or what educational background you have but I will say in the past I have found your posts interesting. Now for you to result to insulting my intelligence because we disagree is adolescent.
I am not insulting your intelligence at all.
The hyster is being controlled by an individual(i.e. god) but the hyster is doing the work.
Thus God is not moving the rock! Look, it is a paradox, it is meant to be self contradictory, and TBH I really didn’t think anyone would even attempt to reply to that.
The devise does not have to be an animate entity it can be used to do the work. I am showing the error for your "paradox". So, really, it is not a paradox either.
It is indeed a paradox. You seem to be unaware that the statement mentioned God doing the moving, if He can move it then He cannot create a rock too heavy for Him to lift. YOU are the one adding a premise of your own that was not part of the original statement.
So, you are an example of a literate person?
I am literate, well done.
A literate person insults other people to achieve his goals?
I don’t see where I insulted anyone.
evidence is simply an indication it does not prove anything.
Yes, but it makes things more plausible.
No. People of the spirit have revelations.
Evidence?
Metaphor:I am glad you spent all those years under the table hitting your head. =).
That isn’t a metaphor either!
If you were not so intelligent I would need God. LOL.
Oh I see, you NEED God. I was right, you are a fundy.
I graduated from high school 8 years ago.
Didn’t do too well at English though did you?
Maybe but it is not important that to is a metaphor.
It ”too’ is a metaphor. Except that it isn’t.
The thing is, you do not even see the paradox that YOU have created for yourself.
The Bible cannot be trusted, but I believe XYZ that is in the Bible!
Can you not even see the problem?
I am sorry if I missed one of your prudent questions.
You missed lots of prudent questions.
Let me stand up while you bow down. LOL.
Sorry, but unlike yourself and other fundies, I have self respect.
Can we stop now?
Only if you find out what a metaphor is, and you take extra English language lessons.
BTW, whoever wrote Isaiah thought the world was a flat disc, as did many other ancient near eastern peoples.

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Message 294 of 307 (434984)
11-18-2007 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Brian
11-18-2007 12:28 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Brian,
BTW, whoever wrote Isaiah thought the world was a flat disc, as did many other ancient near eastern peoples.
That is a theoretical belief. I am done here.
P.S. I thank you for reminding me of the grammatical errors in my posts. However, it is typical for an atheist to attack the grammatical errors in a post rather than the point at hand. I also want you to know that just because I disagree with you does not mean that I don't know what a paradox or a mataphor is. I am aware that a paradox is a contradictory statement that has truth. I am also aware that a metaphor is a statement that implies something different than the literal interpretation. I am also aware that you will probably run to dictionary.com and fight my definitions so I will post them below.
METAPHOR:
1.a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
PARADOX:
1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
2. a self-contradictory and false proposition.
3. any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
4. an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.
Edited by KISS, : no time for brian...

Thank you
KISS

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ringo
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Message 295 of 307 (434992)
11-18-2007 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Force
11-18-2007 1:18 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
KISS writes:
However, it is typical for an atheist to attack the grammatical errors in a post rather than the point at hand.
Your "point at hand" has been dealt with repeatedly in this thread - and by non-atheists as well. You agreed yourself that there isn't enough evidence to conclude exactly what (the authors of) Isaiah knew about the shape of the earth.
In the face of less-than-complete evidence, the sensible course is to accept the ordinary explanation, not an extraordinary one. In this case, the ordinary explanation is that the authors likely believed what their contemporaries believed - that the earth was a flat disk.

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sidelined
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Message 296 of 307 (434993)
11-18-2007 1:49 PM
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11-18-2007 1:18 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
KISS
That is a theoretical belief. I am done here.
Ah. A fine debate tactic. Make a claim against a person and then run away before you have to show your line of arguement.

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Brian
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Message 297 of 307 (434999)
11-18-2007 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Force
11-18-2007 1:18 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
That is a theoretical belief.
All textual criticism is theoretical.
In fact, it is difficult to think of an area of research into the Bible (be it literary, historical, or scientific) that isn't theoretical.
Of course you reject the Bible as being worthless, we cannot trust it at all, yet you happily accept information contained in it as true!
You are essentially saying that the source of your faith is not trustworthy, and then you go on to trust that very source. A very, very strange situation don't you think?
Edited by Brian, : cannae spell

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Message 298 of 307 (435003)
11-18-2007 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by ringo
11-18-2007 1:45 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Ringo,
Your "point at hand" has been dealt with repeatedly in this thread - and by non-atheists as well. You agreed yourself that there isn't enough evidence to conclude exactly what (the authors of) Isaiah knew about the shape of the earth.
Yes! That's what I accept.

Thank you
KISS

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Message 299 of 307 (435005)
11-18-2007 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by sidelined
11-18-2007 1:49 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Sidelined,
Ah. A fine debate tactic. Make a claim against a person and then run away before you have to show your line of arguement.
I did not run away. If you followed the thread you would know that I did not run away. The Bible has errors. It is silly to debate anything contained in the Bible. I am done here.

Thank you
KISS

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ringo
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Message 300 of 307 (435009)
11-18-2007 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Force
11-18-2007 2:18 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Accepting that we don't know 100% what the authors of Isaiah thought contributes nothing to the topic. The topic is about what they probably thought, based on their writings and the writings of their contemporaries.
The best conclusion we can derive is that they probably believed the world was flat. Don't confuse yourself by requiring a 100% solution.

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