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doctrbill
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Message 110 of 302 (208156)
05-14-2005 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Dead Parrot
05-12-2005 5:57 AM


Re: Ahem,
Bold Emphasis Mine
Hello Dead Parrot
There is a Hebrew word that always refers to the entire earth or the entire inhabited earth.
Is this guy trying to say that the Bible actually refers to planet earth? Let me assure y'all that the Bible NEVER uses the word 'earth' or 'world' to indicate a planet of any kind, much less planet earth. The authors had no such concept, and the translators (Luther et. al.) did not subscribe to the idea of planet earth. In fact they ridiculed it.
The above quote does afford some wiggle room for its author by virtue of the 'or' he inserts in the definition of tebel. Even so, whether we read: "whole earth," "all the earth," or "entire earth," it is NEVER about 'planet' earth.
The idea that earth is a planet comes directly from the Heliocentric Theory of Copernicus; a man whom Martin Luther called, "that fool." Heliocentric Theory is a Godless Theory which is, to quote the Roman Inquisition, "... contrary to holy scripture."
Dr. Robert Young (Young's Analytical Concordance) gives as the primitive meaning of tebel:
"Fruit bearing or habitable earth."
Dr. James Strong (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance) give as the primitive meaning:
"the earth (as moist and thererfore inhabited) ..." a derivative of 2986 "yabal ... to flow;"
Or, I say, a derivative of 2988 (same primitive spelling) - "yabal ... a stream;" In other words, tebel literally means: Irrigated Land. Exactly what you'd expect of "habitable earth." This word (tebel) cannot mean: 'entire earth,' in the sense that moderns understand that expression.
At 1 Chronicles 16:30 it is proclaimed that "the world (tebel) also shall be stable, that it be not moved." This is one of the verses cited at Galileo's trial to 'prove' that 'earth' does not rotate.
At Job 18:18, the wicked man is "chased out of the world (tebel)." Does this mean he is driven off the planet?
Tebel cannot mean 'entire earth' in the sense we take that expression today.
BTW - In the KJV at least, Tebel is never translated 'earth.'
This message has been edited by doctrbill, 05-15-2005 08:57 AM

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doctrbill
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Message 112 of 302 (208515)
05-15-2005 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Dead Parrot
05-15-2005 6:29 PM


Re: Ahem,
Even the 'experts' on which I rely are sometimes less reliable than one might hope. Strong, for instance, in his etymology of 'tebel,' adds "by extension the globe." He does not attempt to support this assertion but he does (honestly) provide the evidence to contradict it. Strange business this ...
When it comes to whether or not the Bible reveals the planetary nature of 'earth,' let me assure you that it does not. That fact was made abundently clear by religious authorities beginning with the defamation of Copernicus and continuing through the persecution, excommunication, execution and general harrassment of scientific geniuses of the sixteenth, and seventeenth centuries. The religious establishment does not explain why it changed its mind; never explained how Copernican doctrine could be "contrary to holy scripture" yesterday and in harmony with it today.
Religionists have had a couple of hundred years to set up smoke and mirrors, insert unsubstantiated assertions into their reference books, redefine ancient Hebrew to accomodate NASA technology; and all this in the hope that no one remembers how they were willing to damn all who believed that heresy which they now attempt to support from the same book they used to condemn those heretics to hell.
Yeah. It's been nearly 500 years and I'm still pissed. Bleepin' Lying, Bleepin' Charlatans. One hand in your pocket and the other on the Bible and their tongue in your ear. There oughta be a law!

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doctrbill
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Message 114 of 302 (208600)
05-16-2005 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Specter
05-16-2005 9:43 AM


Re: Ahem,
I think you hit a wrong button.

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