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nwr
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Message 191 of 302 (232972)
08-13-2005 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Lysimachus
08-13-2005 11:36 AM


Re: Floodies and the natural world
What you are doing is calling God a liar, and the Bible a book that missleads millions of people across the globe. You think God would want to deceive us?
Sorry to disagree. But it is you, and your fellow literalists who are calling God a liar. You are asserting that what God wrote with his own hand, what he carved into the rocks and fossil beds, is a lie. You are asserting that truth can only be found in some particular writings of men.
No, no, the flood is not symbolic, nor a parable. It is a literal fact.
I'm wondering why flood literalists have not commented on Message 3.

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Message 195 of 302 (232983)
08-13-2005 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Lysimachus
08-13-2005 12:10 PM


Re: Floodies and the natural world
Luke 17:26 "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."
This was said in a pre-scientific era. Jesus was making the common assumptions of his time.
It makes no sense to say that Jesus came to us as a man, and was tempted as a man, and yet to assume that he was omniscient as a man. If he was omniscient in his presence on earth, then he was not a man and could not have been tempted as a man. If he was not omniscient, then he would have made many of the pre-scientific assumptions that were common at that time.
For those of you Christians, If you believe in Christ's second coming as a literal event, those verses clearly tell us "as the days of Noah". Christ's second coming would never be compared to a prior event that was not literal.
On my reading the Bible is quite clear, that the second coming would occur within the lifetimes of the apostles. Yet, as best I can tell, it didn't happen.

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Message 198 of 302 (244285)
09-16-2005 11:59 PM
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09-16-2005 11:46 PM


Re: Floodies and the natural world
Sadly, you are putting your trust in man regarding science rather than God.
Science is based on evidence, not on trust.
You are putting your trust in men - the men who were authors of the scriptures.

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Message 203 of 302 (244517)
09-18-2005 12:29 AM
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09-17-2005 1:24 AM


Re: Floodies and the natural world
Science as in itself is good. However, man continuelly interprets science differently. The data of science is outputted by man who did the research, therefore a great degree of trust is going to the researcher "OF" the science.
You are ignoring the self-correction that goes on in science.

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Message 298 of 302 (283638)
02-03-2006 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by Evopeach
02-03-2006 11:08 AM


Re: Biblical Accuracy
The most important tenant of Christianity is that Jesus was fully God and fully man, incapable of violating His character, the Law of Moses in the Ten Commandmants and thus could not lie. When Jesus stated in any version of scripture I am aware of, "As it was in the day of Noah they were marrying and giving in marriage and the flood came and swept them all away." Also, He stated, "For by one man sin entered into the world and death through sin."
Suppose I were to say to somebody "Just as Sherlock Holmes used logic to solve his cases, you also should apply logic to your problem." Would I be a liar for saying that (given that Sherlock Holmes was only a fictional character)? Or would I simply be using a metaphor that could be readily understood?
Jesus leaves skeptics and liberal Christians little room; either His version of history is correct or He is a liar.
Jesus was not writing history. He was talking to the ordinary people of his time, using metaphors that they could easily understand.

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