Inerrancy of the Bible 2

Hi NT, LOL, the funny thing is, when I was waiting for the other presentations to end before the q and a session, I really did think 'what if someone in the audience says that there is an archaeologist called Wyatt who has found many artefacts that disagree with your conclusions, have you heard of his finds?' I had a very tactful answer all worked out just in case. But, all the questions were very sensible, a pleasant experience.Brian.

Well, if Star Trek is believable, human wisdom found a way to accelerate to Warp 9 without everyone slamming into the back of the ship, right? Surely a Creator of the Universe could protect His humble sheep herders as well, don't you think?

Phat,Some people find Star Trek believable, and some people find the Bible stories believable. Sounds like you are admitting that the Bible is fiction written by humans just like Star Trek.And then there are people like me who find neither Star Trek nor the Bible stories of miracles believable.lfen

Hi Phat, It isnt just a case of protecting His sheep, it is the fact that a catastrophe such as this would be evident in the geological record. But, the planet would be ripped apart, and everything (apart from His sheep) would be wiped out. But, given the continuous historical record of the surrounding countries then we need to think again.Brian.BTW, Captain Kirk was born in Bethlehem, he had a prolonged life, and had kids on every planet in the universe that supported life

Actually no - Star Trek is not very believable and em..is fiction.

Brian, if we had the opportunity to discover life on Mars, determine a fractal algorithm to search rock shapes, in the small, on Mars, and apply the same algorithm to Global earth topography to pin point a new bacteria exploratory party excursion doing, and find Mars inverts on Earth, dont you think we would have been able to have found this without going to Mars?

Tom Of course he can.Mythological beings are unlimited in their power and defy the laws of physics present in the universe.However,they are an imaginary construct put together by men as a means of weilding power over the uninformed and used to further their own agendas.
A partial eclipse would not produce the event on the sun dial. Of course you do. It supports that which you have invested time and effort believing and to admit the error you have to take an emotional upheaval that is difficult to endure,but the error is not made true by determination.Prophecies were once powerful tools for directing a populace to a course of action.When you can convince people who are in fear due to uncertain times then you wield power to make them do your bidding.It is more to the point that a king or a "holy man" would play on the soothing of peoples existential angst,their worries about what will happen to them or,even more,their families than that these mythological gods ever were anywhere but in our heads, The Inquisition, The dark ages, Jonestown. Horrors produced when people cloud their rational mind with fear or worse have their minds scuttled into submission by those who believe that their understanding of the bible must be so and thus justify abuses that are again creeping out of the dark and into the general populace.These events are the result of men taking the myth to the point of grinding the rational free thinking individual down in favour of obedience to an unseen unknowable deity that is not a part of the physical world that somehow came to be known and seen by somebody who claims that miracles do occur but not if you look too closely at them since it pisses the deity off to be seen in the light of day.Please,continue on in abject ignorance of how the world works under investigation of the world.When the time comes at the end of a long life and the fortold events still have not occured ay least you will have joined the company of many throughout thousands of years who waited for the same and also went to dust;ignorant,fearful and waiting faithfully for something that never was anywhere but in their imagination.

purpledawn Did you say it would make sense? Not at all.Of course,if you are intent on keeping a house of cards standing under buffeting winds then you could cheat and introduce glue in the form of magic,but then, all discusion is at an end for now we enter ino the realm of silliness and ignorance of the actual.Magic does not occur in reality.It is deception and playing upon the fooling of human observation under the sunspension of disbelief.It is entertainment not reality.Seriously now,moving shadows without moving a light source?

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A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?'
This raised his doubts to such a pitch
He fell distracted in the ditch
Not knowing how to run.

How about a really big flashlight?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, the big bang originates over 50 years ago, long before string theory. It is rather firmly established. If you wish to interpret Genesis as supporting the big bang I don't see a problem with that.String theory is attempting to, perhaps, explain why the big bang occured and/or why the laws of physics are as they are. It has decades of work to go as you suggest.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 01-22-2005 11:03 AM

PhatboyA bad analogy since,as others have pointed out,star trek is not based in reality and is in fact poor science in many ways.Nonetheless, let us play the science fiction card as put forth in the shows.Do you remember the device the ship uses called the inertial dampers? I am sure you do.Inertia is the very thing that is not accounted for in the stopping of the earth due to the fact that as we are on the spinning earth we are moving at a local velocity dependent upon our location on the earth.Quito moves at a faster velocity than here in Edmonton due to the fact that the earth is greater in circumference there and so needs to move faster in order to complete a revolution once every 24 hours.There are no inertial dampers in reality.Inertia is merely a measurment of a physical property we call mass.It measures the amount of work necessary to alter the state of motion in a mass at a given time.Do you know those playground rides that are a circular platform with handles attached? {for the life of me I cannot remember their name}.If you climb onto one along with others after pushing it up to speed and,while on the outer edge you were to suddenly let go you fly off in a straight line tangent to your positon on the circle at the moment of release. That flight is your inertia which as Newtons law states you continue on im unless acted upon by other forces, in this instance, first gravity,arcing you groundward.then the electromagnetic force as you land on the ground and your body and the earth push against each other in equal and opposite reaction.Now picture yourself on it again only this time a magical hand come down and immediately stops the ride dead. You flyoff in a straight line until you enconter a solid object.Now imagine doing so at a velocity of 450mph due east and think of the result.Since inertia is a property of mass in order to protect his flock as it were he need stop all their motion as well.Since there was never recoorded an event whereby everybody on the plnet was forced into motionlessness we are again in a quandary.Altering the mass of earth also alters thing like the mass of the moon,the sun, gravitational bending of light around the mass of the earth etc.You need not lose sleep over it since the deity need not obey rules because men have imbued him with imaginary unobserved unknowable powers enforced from a place that cannot be seen which is outside of our mere spacetime.Like I said in a previous response to Tom,such things exist properly as long as you do not let them into the light of day to look at.

jarI am sceptical.Duracell or Eveready?

sidelined, When I slow my car I apply the brakes, when I speed up I apply the gas. God doesn't need to suddenly stop the earth, to turn the dial back 10 degree's and then to speed it up 10 degree's.I see it more as prophecy and you have to ask the question if one little earthquake slowed the earth 3 millionths of a second, how much would an earthquake that will cause the earth to wobble in orbit be able to slow the rotation of the earth.P.S. kjv Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pliades, or loose the bands of Orion?

Arachnophilia, Go ask Jerry Falwell if God doesn't answer prayer. The prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Jerry said when Clinton gave up the reigns of command to GWB, not even a hurricane would of prevented him from witnessing the changing of the guard. The Prophecy in question appears to be talking about the judgment of God being delayed becaue the ruler was righteous.P.S. Don't you remember some dude was swallowed by a whale, because he didn't want to witness to the people of Ninevah. Yet the people of Ninevah repented and escaped a judgment of God. It says Nations are judged by God and how just one man can turn it all around. I realize were in the last days, but one can not but be amazed that God has chosen GWB to be our president. Do you really think Jerry Falwell does not believe in answered prayer. I guess if we Christians get raptured before the tribulation, GWB will be out of here too.

I really didn't intend to lower my intelligence level.

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Seriously now,moving shadows without moving a light source?

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I meant move the object that casts the shadow, such as turning a sundial.But hopefully I'm allowed one silly thought in life.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.