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Jet
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Message 242 of 329 (11221)
06-09-2002 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by RedVento
06-07-2002 9:49 AM


quote:
Originally posted by RedVento:
I am curious as to what kind of Christian Jet is(ie, Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, some form of Lutherin or Protestant) as his views on God and the gospel seem much different from those I've witnessed. My mother is Jewish, my father Roman Catholic, and I spent 3 years at a Lutheran Highschool where I was forced to study theology. I have a fairly good grasp of the differences between the catholic septs, and Jet seems to fit in none of them.

If Christ is really just God in flesh of men, why does Christ refer to God as his father? Again indicating two beings, not one.


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1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who [is] this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or [who] shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, [as if] it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed [place], and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; [and] caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay [to] the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where [is] the way [where] light dwelleth? and [as for] darkness, where [is] the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths [to] the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou [it], because thou wast then born? or [because] the number of thy days [is] great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, [which] scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, [where] no man [is; on] the wilderness, wherein [there is] no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste [ground]; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we [are]?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together? Job 38:1-38
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***For what man can fathom the Mystery of God, or comprehend the Uniqueness of His Being? For what man shall say, "See, here is God", and give a full explanation? Shall I? Shall you? Shall anyone?"***

Shalom

Jet

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"KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! FEED YOUR BRAIN!".....................Jet

"An entire world, rich in structure and history, may have existed before our Universe appeared; but if it did, science cannot tell what kind of world it was. A sound explanation may exist for the explosive birth of our Universe; but if it does, science cannot find out what the explanation is. The scientist's pursuit of the past ends in the moment of creation.

This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians. They have always accepted the word of the Bible: In the beginning God created heaven and earth. To which St. Augustine added, "Who can understand this mystery or explain it to others?"

The development is unexpected because science has had such extraordinary success in tracing the chain of cause and effect backward in time. We have been able to connect the appearance of man on this planet to the crossing of the threshold of life on the earth, the manufacture of the chemical ingredients of life within stars that have long since expired, the formation of those stars out of the primal mists, and the expansion and cooling of the parent cloud of gases out of the cosmic fireball.

Now we would like to pursue that inquiry farther back in time, but the barrier to further progress seems insurmountable. It is not a matter of another year, another decade of work, another measurement, or another theory; at this moment it seems as though science will never be able to raise the curtain on the mystery of creation.

For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow


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nator
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Message 243 of 329 (11222)
06-09-2002 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Jet
06-09-2002 5:37 PM


Look, Jet, I doubt if anyone is going to buy your "injured innocent" routine. I know I certainly don't.

You made your bed of bad behavior, now you are going to have to lie in it.

So, how is that super secret research going?


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Percy
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Message 245 of 329 (11224)
06-09-2002 8:42 PM


Hi Jet,

A 300 word quote is spam, not a signature. Please fix your signature now.

I'm becoming more and more concerned about your behavior here. I shouldn't have to enumerate every possible way to be obnoxious in the forum guidelines. If you want to continue to participate here then you must change your behavior now.

--Percy
   EvC Forum Administrator


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Percy
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From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 2.4


Message 246 of 329 (11225)
06-09-2002 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Jet
06-09-2002 5:37 PM


Jet writes:

It never ceases to amaze me how some evolutionists feel free to express the "personal viewpoint" of someone they have most likely never met or even had the opportunity to speak with.

I never attempted to say anything about Jastrow's views. I only said the quote is not a summary of his personal viewpoint.

Now that you've provided the fuller quote we can see that Jastrow isn't saying that theologians have been ahead of scientists in general, but ahead only about the origin of the universe.


Rather than make further attempts to respond to this odious individual, an endeavor that is not only fruitless, but a total waste of my typing skills, I prefer to respond to individuals like Percy who, although he too can be somewhat odious on rare occasions...

Jet, the guidelines are quite explicit about refraining from becoming personal. I'm sorry to debate with you and act like an administrator at the same time, but it can't be helped.

I caution other debaters not to follow Jet's example. This means treating your fellow debaters, no matter how frustrating you feel them to be, with politeness and respect. Keep in mind that they may find you as frustrating as you find them.

--Percy


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Jet
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Message 247 of 329 (11226)
06-09-2002 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Percy
06-09-2002 8:42 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Percipient:
Hi Jet,

A 300 word quote is spam, not a signature. Please fix your signature now.

I'm becoming more and more concerned about your behavior here. I shouldn't have to enumerate every possible way to be obnoxious in the forum guidelines. If you want to continue to participate here then you must change your behavior now.

--Percy
   EvC Forum Administrator


***Actually, I have edited my signature substantially but if you feel it needs additional editing, just let me know, and I will edit it further. As for behaviour, if I respond in kind to a specific post, I would appreciate it if you would not respond to me solely. If I must be aware of guidelines, as I am, then those who have been members even longer should have at least as firm a grasp on the proper etiquette for posts. I doubt that your guidelines are for me alone. Usually, I prefer not to respond to the ill-mannered types, but then I am charged with not engaging in proper debating technique.

However, if you prefer that I not respond in kind to those certain individuals who seem bent on posting odious remarks aimed at me, then I will simply have to follow my first instinct, and ignore them completely. I have no desire to be banned from posting. Neither do I desire to be the endless target of certain individuals who have nothing of any real substance to offer, but rather prefer to perpetuate the myth that most evolutionists are intellectually inept, uneducated fools, incapable of engaging others in a discussion or debate without eventually resorting to some form of character assassination when they lose ground on any given point during the debate.

Credentials aside, personal opinion is the largest contributing factor for most individuals who choose to involve themselves in discussions and debates. Whether they be evolutionists, creationists, atheists, or anti-theists, their personal opinions are what most influences their beliefs, and their positions. I am no exception. Expressing personal opinions in these forums, on any given topic of discussion, is to be expected. Expressing personal opinions as to the individuals themselves should find no place in the forum. I am quite certain that there are individuals in several corners who view everyone that may differ with them on any given subject as being fully and completely "Kafkaesque".

I apologize if I have been too brutal when responding in kind to certain individuals who dislike me personally, though they have never actually met me personally. I shall endeavor to bestow upon them the respect that they so richly deserve by ignoring them completely. Again, if you deem my signature is still too lengthy, please inform me and I will edit it further.***

Shalom

Jet

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"KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! FEED YOUR BRAIN!".....................Jet

"An entire world, rich in structure and history, may have existed before our Universe appeared; but if it did, science cannot tell what kind of world it was. A sound explanation may exist for the explosive birth of our Universe; but if it does, science cannot find out what the explanation is. The scientist's pursuit of the past ends in the moment of creation.......This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians.......Now we would like to pursue that inquiry farther back in time, but the barrier to further progress seems insurmountable. It is not a matter of another year, another decade of work, another measurement, or another theory; at this moment it seems as though science will never be able to raise the curtain on the mystery of creation. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow


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RedVento
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Message 248 of 329 (11261)
06-10-2002 11:02 AM


hmm.. thanks Jet, but the question still stands..

If you would rather not say what christian group you belong to that is fine, just say so.

And if Christ calls God father doesn't that imply two beings?


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Jet
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Message 249 of 329 (11397)
06-12-2002 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by RedVento
06-10-2002 11:02 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by RedVento:

If you would rather not say what christian group you belong to that is fine, just say so.

***Why must I "belong" to a "group"? The only group I need be associated with is the group known as "The Body and Bride of Christ".***

And if Christ calls God father doesn't that imply two beings?

***When attempting to understand the wonderous mystery of God, one must be willing to use the clues that God has given us throughout the entirety of scripture. I could list nearly endless verses to show you that Jesus was indeed God in the flesh. Rather than sermonize, which Percy does not appreciate, I will simply give you a few of the many verses that show Jesus was God in fleshly form.

[John 10:30, John 14:9-11, John 17:21]

Can one find verses that seem to indicate, (emphasis on "seem"), that Jesus and God are two rather than one? Sure, but not when they use the entirety of scripture. No matter what conclusion one may choose to arrive at, one of the most telling verses of scripture that show us conclusively that Jesus was indeed God in fleshly form is found in Isaiah 7:14 and again in Matthew 1:23. This is very simple to understand and the base of this teaching actually begins in Genesis and is carried throughout the scriptures.***

Shalom

Jet

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“There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming.”
Paul Davies“There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming.”

Professor Paul Davies


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RedVento
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Message 250 of 329 (11406)
06-12-2002 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Jet
06-12-2002 1:25 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jet:
[b][QUOTE]Originally posted by RedVento:

If you would rather not say what christian group you belong to that is fine, just say so.

***Why must I "belong" to a "group"? The only group I need be associated with is the group known as "The Body and Bride of Christ".***

And if Christ calls God father doesn't that imply two beings?

***When attempting to understand the wonderous mystery of God, one must be willing to use the clues that God has given us throughout the entirety of scripture. I could list nearly endless verses to show you that Jesus was indeed God in the flesh. Rather than sermonize, which Percy does not appreciate, I will simply give you a few of the many verses that show Jesus was God in fleshly form.

[John 10:30, John 14:9-11, John 17:21]

Can one find verses that seem to indicate, (emphasis on "seem"), that Jesus and God are two rather than one? Sure, but not when they use the entirety of scripture. No matter what conclusion one may choose to arrive at, one of the most telling verses of scripture that show us conclusively that Jesus was indeed God in fleshly form is found in Isaiah 7:14 and again in Matthew 1:23. This is very simple to understand and the base of this teaching actually begins in Genesis and is carried throughout the scriptures.***

Shalom

Jet

[/b][/QUOTE]

I am not familiar with the "Body and Bride of Christ" but if indeed Christ was God in flesh form then why not be "Body and Bride of God?"

And what happens when I read the entirety of the bible, see that the prophet Christ was from the the line of Abraham and in fact a man, then reflect on the Old and New Testaments and feel that while he was a prophet, he was not THE prophet, that infact Mohammad was? That the Koran in fact has the true Gospel and the New Testament is nothing but a politcal document meant to further the Church's control of Europe during the dark and middle ages? Actually that is the conclusion that I came to. The New Testament contents were voted upon, as such the contents must be viewed with some skeptisism. Let us assume that indeed the original works in their entirety did contain the Gospel, man has "Screwed" with it by voting on which parts were allowed to be seen by the masses, and in effect lessened or nullified the true meanings. Without unedited, unabridged, unaltered versions of the original texts in their entirety(not the compilation that the Church felt fit to put forth) the "true meaning" of the New Testament, and Christs role, cannot be vied, it can only be assumed or infered, and is wholey subjective. Therefore while your views are right for you, as it is an opinion, it is not necessarily right for me. While you might find salvation in the opinion that the Bible is the inerrant Gospel, I am equally able to find salvation from my opinion that the Bible is nothing more than moral teachings and parables meant to guide. We are both right in our own minds, and I believe God's. And that whether God and Christ were one or two beings really doesn't make a lick of difference to me, since I dont think the bible was inerrant, or meant to be anything other than a really old book of fables.

[This message has been edited by RedVento, 06-12-2002]


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Jet
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Message 251 of 329 (11409)
06-12-2002 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by RedVento
06-12-2002 2:39 PM


And within the realm of "Free Moral Agency" you have the God given right to think the way you do. Knock yourself out.

Shalom

Jet

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“There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming.”

Professor Paul Davies


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Jeff
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Message 252 of 329 (11412)
06-12-2002 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Jet
06-12-2002 2:51 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jet:
And within the realm of "Free Moral Agency" you have the God given right to think the way you do. Knock yourself out.

Shalom

Jet


Free Moral Agency ?
This begs the question: Is the God of the Bible All knowing ? …All Powerful ….All Loving ?
The Bible implies He is NOT.
How can Yahweh be All knowing if he demands Abraham sacrifice his only son…only to give His reprieve when Abraham raises the knife for the killing blow ? Didn’t HE already know what the outcome was, before HE even asked Abraham to kill his son ? Even if this was a loyalty test of Abraham’s devotion to Yahweh, an all knowing Entity would NOT NEED this test. HE knew all along the loyalties and priorities in Abraham’s heart.

So why did HE do it ? …is HE cruel ? ..sadistic ?
Then HE isn’t an All Loving God.

Could it be that this was just a morality tale, to instill piousness in the ancient Hebrews ? …and had nothing to do with actual events ?

Why else would an Omniscient, Omnipotent being behave as if HE were thug from a primitive, neolithic hunter gatherer society ?

It makes one wonder why the Bible portrays God as less than Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omni-benevolent.
I suppose that, rather than reading the Bible LITERALLY, we could try INTERPRETTING the meaning into something other than what the Bible implies. However, many Christians would be offended by that.

jeff

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"Freedom of Religion" equates to Freedom -FROM- those religions we find unbelievable.


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RedVento
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Message 253 of 329 (11414)
06-12-2002 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Jeff
06-12-2002 3:19 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jeff:
Free Moral Agency ?
This begs the question: Is the God of the Bible All knowing ? …All Powerful ….All Loving ?
The Bible implies He is NOT.
How can Yahweh be All knowing if he demands Abraham sacrifice his only son…only to give His reprieve when Abraham raises the knife for the killing blow ? Didn’t HE already know what the outcome was, before HE even asked Abraham to kill his son ? Even if this was a loyalty test of Abraham’s devotion to Yahweh, an all knowing Entity would NOT NEED this test. HE knew all along the loyalties and priorities in Abraham’s heart.

So why did HE do it ? …is HE cruel ? ..sadistic ?
Then HE isn’t an All Loving God.

Could it be that this was just a morality tale, to instill piousness in the ancient Hebrews ? …and had nothing to do with actual events ?

Why else would an Omniscient, Omnipotent being behave as if HE were thug from a primitive, neolithic hunter gatherer society ?

It makes one wonder why the Bible portrays God as less than Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omni-benevolent.
I suppose that, rather than reading the Bible LITERALLY, we could try INTERPRETTING the meaning into something other than what the Bible implies. However, many Christians would be offended by that.

jeff


http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/MSmith_BiblicalMonotheism.htm <-- Talks about the origins of Yahweh, the Isrealites and their polythiestic origins.

And Jet, your statement applies for your thinking as well, except that I am under no obligation to show evidence for my opinions. For an inerrant bible to be accepted, you need to show evidence that supports your opinion. My opinion leaves room for speculation and varied interpritations.


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Jet
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Message 254 of 329 (11479)
06-13-2002 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by nator
06-09-2002 7:25 PM


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"A full frontal attack on the dumbing down so endemic in American society today. The book itself is dangerously close to being an example of the dumbth it attacks, but it is easy to read and may help to bring this problem to mind in a common sense sort of way. It is not all too intellectual, and not at all scientific."

From A Review of the Book "Dumbth" by Steve Alle


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Percy
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Posts: 18868
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
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Message 255 of 329 (11504)
06-13-2002 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Jet
06-13-2002 1:21 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jet:


Another in-character contribution by the Christian. I guess you don't go in much for that "turn the other cheek" and "lamb of God" stuff.

--Percy


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Jet
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Message 256 of 329 (11509)
06-13-2002 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Percy
06-13-2002 4:36 PM


METHINKS THOU DOST PROTEST TOO MUCH

Shalom

Jet

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“As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?”

Prof. George Greenstei


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Jet
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Message 257 of 329 (11832)
06-19-2002 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Jeff
06-12-2002 3:19 PM


Jeff: Free Moral Agency ?
This begs the question: Is the God of the Bible All knowing ? …All Powerful ….All Loving ?
The Bible implies He is NOT.
How can Yahweh be All knowing if he demands Abraham sacrifice his only son…only to give His reprieve when Abraham raises the knife for the killing blow ? Didn’t HE already know what the outcome was, before HE even asked Abraham to kill his son ? Even if this was a loyalty test of Abraham’s devotion to Yahweh, an all knowing Entity would NOT NEED this test. HE knew all along the loyalties and priorities in Abraham’s heart.

***Yes, God did know the end from the beginning. But Abraham did not, and Isaac did not.***Jet

Jeff: So why did HE do it ? …is HE cruel ? ..sadistic ?
Then HE isn’t an All Loving God.

***God is All-Knowing, but He is not All Loving. There are many things that God hates, and all are the product of sin. Most likely Jeff, you are simply exhibiting the tell-tale signs of the logic and moral code of a lost heart and mind.***Jet

Jeff: Could it be that this was just a morality tale, to instill piousness in the ancient Hebrews ? …and had nothing to do with actual events ?

***That is about as likely as buying some oceanfront property in Arizona.***Jet

Jeff: Why else would an Omniscient, Omnipotent being behave as if HE were thug from a primitive, neolithic hunter gatherer society ?

***Again Jeff, your thought process is indicative of the fact that most likely you are simply exhibiting the tell-tale signs of the logic and moral code of a lost heart and mind.***Jet

Jeff: It makes one wonder why the Bible portrays God as less than Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omni-benevolent.
I suppose that, rather than reading the Bible LITERALLY, we could try INTERPRETTING the meaning into something other than what the Bible implies. However, many Christians would be offended by that.

***Or, you could take the proper approach and you could submit your will to the Will of God, and watch your world change for the better. Heart, mind, soul, and spirit. Unfortunately, the pride of some will never allow them to submit their will.***Jet

Shalom

Jet

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“As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?”

Prof. George Greenstei


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