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Cravingjava
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Message 32 of 329 (7045)
03-16-2002 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Diamus
03-16-2002 3:37 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Diamus:
It is useless to converse intellegently with such people due to all the faith and ignorance they wrap themselves in. Like a mother sheilding her young from the "real" world. No other opinions but there own can possible be right. It is useless, I am sorry to say.
[This message has been edited by Diamus, 03-16-2002]

Converse intelligently? Heck, I havent even posted anything intelligent...and neither have you. Lol...don't flatter yourself friend.
Nothing is going on here except good ole mindless bantering. That's all that anyone really does here.
If you want to engage in a meaningful conversation, why don't you tell me how you know that what you believe is true? Be specific and resist all temptation to attack anyones character. I would love to engage in an intelligent conversation for once.
[This message has been edited by Cravingjava, 03-16-2002]

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Cravingjava
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Message 33 of 329 (7046)
03-16-2002 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by LudvanB
03-16-2002 3:28 PM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:

Well first,lets examin this a little further. How exactly would you define acting as a...how did you say?...Butthead?(very eloquent,BTW). Would you say that anyone who does not believe in the Bible as being the literal words of God are all "Buttheads" by default?

Uh, nope. I never said that. I think a butthead is someone who acts crazy just because someone starts playing on the same field as them. I could copy and paste some specific examples from your posts if you like.
Hehe
Gosh...I had no idea that I would tick so many off because I sling the mud exactly like they do. Gosh, I am real sowwy.
What comes around, goes around. Uh...that's a figure of speech too, hehe.

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Percy
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Message 34 of 329 (7060)
03-16-2002 7:27 PM


Finding words like "butthead" and "flames" in posts are a good indicator of possible guideline violations. Things haven't gotten out of hand here yet, but neither does any fruitful discussion appear to be taking place. Please follow the forum guidelines. Future posts to this thread should be on-topic or I will close it. Thanks!
--Percy

Diamus
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Message 35 of 329 (7069)
03-16-2002 10:21 PM


This will probably be my last post so listen up.
First of all, thank you mister admin for pointing out the riff-raff.
He has done nothing but try to faulter the debate in every post.
Now here is how things get different. I stand up for what I believe in and I must say that this thread Has Not broken any rule. But you mister Admin come in here to throw your weight around like a "rent-a-cop wanna-be". Thats right, everyone in here has the right to there own opinion (even CravingJava) as long as rules arent broken and they weren't. So why not go ahead and abuse your power and delete this post and me cause you know you want to. Otherwise, leave it alone until the rules ARE broken.
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Diamus - Seeker of the Truth and Defender of those oppressed by ones in Power :^)
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Percy
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Message 36 of 329 (7071)
03-16-2002 10:37 PM
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03-16-2002 10:21 PM


Diamus,
Rules 1 and 2 are not being followed in this thread. Discussion is not on topic, and respect for others is not being demonstrated.
You're free to decide you do not want to participate here, but the guidelines were put in place to prevent flame wars and keep discussion focused. If that's not what you're looking for in a discussion then you might want to try other boards.
In the future, please either email me your concerns about how this board is moderated, or post them to the Suggestions forum.
--Percy

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Darwin Storm
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Message 37 of 329 (7072)
03-16-2002 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Diamus
03-16-2002 10:21 PM


The admin on the board is doing what the admin is supposed to do, keep the forum a place for open debate. Open hostility, from either side, not only isn't neccesary, but unwanted. I realize that there is alot of passion in this debate, and people sometimes cross the line. The point of the Admin is to make sure it is an occasional thing, and that various threads don't turn into a flame war.
Many of CravingJava's posts in this thread have been vague retalitory comments which don't add to a civilized and constructive arguement, and frankly, neither did your last post.
Passion is fine, but temper it with civility. There is no reason to be hostile.

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Diamus
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Message 38 of 329 (7074)
03-16-2002 10:50 PM


First of all I disrespected no one. And what others said did not emotionally effect me.
Second no activity here violated the rules to the point were you should have enterviened. You had very little reason to come in and threaten to shut down the thread. What do you think pays for this web site sir? Us...the users, the ones who provide the hits to the sites that in turn pay your superiors and/or you. You should think twice about causing a negative atmosphere for the users as I will now find somewhere else to debate.

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doctrbill
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Message 39 of 329 (7075)
03-16-2002 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Diamus
03-16-2002 10:50 PM


Has this exchange qualified you to cut a notch in your Bible Belt?

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Diamus
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Message 40 of 329 (7076)
03-16-2002 11:14 PM


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Diamus
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Message 41 of 329 (7079)
03-17-2002 12:04 AM


I must say I appologize Percy. I shouldn't have acted in that manner.
But you do need to lighten up a little. No foul language was used and no one made any serious insults towards anyone else. Everyone was stating there opinion in a mostly civilized way. That IS what this place is for even if the topic strays a little. In fact I know of no serious debate where the topic didn't stray at least a little.
Anyway, I shouldn't have acted that way and I appologize.

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Percy
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Message 42 of 329 (7096)
03-17-2002 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Diamus
03-17-2002 12:04 AM


No harm, Diamus. You are right that I intervened early, but once you've seen enough threads you can tell where they're going.
I did want to respond to this, though:

Diamus writes:
What do you think pays for this web site sir? Us...the users, the ones who provide the hits to the sites that in turn pay your superiors and/or you.
Well, as I've said in past posts, EvC Forum is an ultra-megalith among websites, dwarfing all other sites combined. While I count myself a lucky individual to be working for so large and enlightened an organization, in my own defense, you just wouldn't believe what goes on around here! It seems like anyone can do whatever they want and that no one's in charge. The janitor is as likely to update the website as the president. I've seen the librarian doing accounting and the errand boy doing the research. I'm on call day and night not just for the website but to do the bidding of any of the other employees. On top of it all, there are romantic involvements with people in the same department, there's two munchkins running around wreaking havoc, and I haven't seen a paycheck in years. Honestly, in all this mahem it's a wonder anything gets done.
And to add insult to injury, I have to pay the webhosting company out of my own pocket! Can you believe that!
--Percy (EvC Forum Administrator)

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Diamus
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Message 43 of 329 (7107)
03-17-2002 1:18 PM


Anyway, to get back on track here are a few assorted contradiction that are written in the bible.
Should we kill?
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."
-------vs.-------
Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."
I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."
Should we tell lies?
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."
-------vs.-------
I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."
Should we steal?
Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
-------vs.-------
Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."
Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered] the Egyptians."
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
Shall we keep the sabbath?
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."
Exodus 31:15 "Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."
Numbers 15:32,36 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. . . . And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
-------vs.-------
Isaiah 1:13 "The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity."
John 5:16 "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day."
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."
Shall we make graven images?
Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Leviticus 26:1 "Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone."
Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image."
-------vs.-------
Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
I Kings 7:15,16,23,25 "For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass . . . and two chapiters of molten brass . . . And he made a molten sea . . . it stood upon twelve oxen . . . [and so on]"
Copyright 1992 by Dan Barker. All Rights Reserved.
With so many contradictions in the bible it is easy to see kids loosing faith as I did once I was old enough to see christianity and the bible at face value.
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Percy
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Message 44 of 329 (7108)
03-17-2002 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Diamus
03-17-2002 1:18 PM


I realize I'm about to make myself very unpopular, but you appear to be in violation of rule 5 of the guidelines which requires providing attribution when posting material not your own. The specific contradictions you provided are posted all over the net so it's not necessary to provide a link, but you should at least give Dan Barker credit.
--Percy

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TrueCreation
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Message 45 of 329 (7117)
03-17-2002 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Diamus
03-17-2002 1:18 PM


We can play this game of semantics. Though I will not post them, I will give links as I find it odd how the skeptic will quote the alleged contredictions but they seem to ignore their answers.
--Sometimes people have taken verses out of context to support that misunderstanding. Often they simply did not exercise the thought necessary to distinguish between a real contradiction and a resolvable difference.
[Edited to turn on the dead links. --Percy]
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LudvanB
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Message 46 of 329 (7124)
03-17-2002 3:58 PM
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03-17-2002 2:32 PM


None of the links you provided refutes in any credible way the contradictions in the link that i provided at the begining of this thread...at most,they attempt to blur the issue.

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