Giant People in the bible?

There are a lot of stories out there. Evolutionists continue to assert that if it cannot be tested with scientific lab analysis, then it cannot be true.However, can it be possible that so many myths and legends regarding giants is completely false? Why would the Bible in a number of books mention these individuals so many times? Obviously, these large men were witnessed.Could this mean that we, as a human race, are degenerating, and not progressing as Evolutionists assert?There are a lot of stories out there that we can't prove, but Evolutionists need to be open to the possibility that races of giants did exist.I know most of you here can't stand to hear the name "Ron Wyatt", but whether you like it or not, here it is again.In Jonothan Gray's film "Surprising Discoveries", he spoke of giants. In Turkey, while investigating Noah's Ark, some of Ron Wyatt's team members stayed at a hotel. At this hotel, there was a giant jaw bone on display. The human jawbone was inside of a glass on a display table in the hotel lobby. I can't remember who it was, but it was either Jonothan Gray, or another team member who took a photo of this giant jaw bone. It was SOOO large, that you could fit the jaw bone COMPLETELY around a normal human jaw bone. It is interesting that this jaw bone was put on display in Turkey---which would fit right into the hypothesis that the descendants of Noah in this region were LARGE beings.I saw the photo on the video, and indeed, you can distinctly see the massive size of that jaw bone. It is distinctly a human jaw bone. However, as usual, something always goes wrong. I believe it was Andrew who told me that the alloted time for these Ark explorers had come to an end, so they decided that when they came back to the hotel next time they had permission to come in Turkey, they would investigate this giant jaw bone.Sadly, they returned and the giant bone on display was MISSING! The team asked the hotel managers, and unfortunately they did not know. I believe they were not able to get a hold of the owner...or something of the sort. Situations like this have made it very difficult, indeed, and critics LOVE this kind of stuff.So the claim that this giant jaw bone exists is NOT MADE! (so don't make the mistake by accusing them of this claim). This is only a STORY, not a claim. We have the photo, but not the bone to compare with normal human jaw bones.I am beginning to see a pattern here that the stories of giants in the Bible and in other myths and legends is not so far fetched as Evolutionists would like to believe.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-13-2004 12:23 PM

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I personally don't believe that giants reached 20ft.+. BTW, for those creationists who believe this, don't include SDAs in there. SDAs believe that giants did not go beyond 12-14ft tall. Adam was probably no taller than 14 feet.John Williams,Exactly how are you coming up with your calculations that Goliath was 6ft 9inches? I have always heard that accoriding to the Bible, the cubit measurements mentioned come out to be 9 ft. 9 inches :{The majority of Christians have placed Goliath approx. 10ft in height.

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If Evolutionists believe that a common ancestor of Neanderthal was humped over, that cavemen existed--and that these men knew little of technology, and that man began to evolve to the point where we finally stand upright (from a monkey formed shape to standup straight form), isn't this a form of "progression"?Giants conflict with this theory. Indeed they do.

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Start reading posts around here, Lysimachus

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I've had my fill, don't worry. I read more than you think--and I personally don't feel much if it is worth my time. I also read articles from talkorigins.com ever so often. But I don't leave it at that. I read the counter arguments from creationists. trueorigins.org has some good stuff as well. I take everything as a whole---lay out ont on a broad table, and place it on a weighing scale.When I do it this way, I cannot help but see that the evidence for creation is much more reasonable.

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Evolutionists do not assert that we are progressing.

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Yes they do, but in an undertow. Evolutionists are beginning to see that the progression theory is not standing, so they've had to revampt their their theories to not get in trouble. Go back to books from the 70s and 80s---that was the original beleif. Evolutionists are constantly have to reshape their theories, as creationism just doesn't allow it stand solid. Some "new" explanation always has to be invented from different angles so that the theory does not fall.

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So is it equally obvious that Elves, Fairies and Leprechauns exist?

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Nonsense. There is no comparison here. You are comparing children's story books with ancient historical documents?

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And the pattern is?

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That there is good reason to believe that large men existed in early ancient times. We are speaking of the Bible + possible giant bones + ancient document describing large men.jar, do you believe there is no "god" whatsoever? Can you honestly in your heart convince yourself there is no living creator that initiated life? Honestly?

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Evolutionist do not use progression as more than a series of footprints. In TOE, progression is simply a description of path. It does not apply, and never has applied to anything more than that. Evolution is not from worse to better, smaller to bigger, bigger to smaller, or any other such nonsense. Those that survive long enough to reproduce, suceeded.

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So, are you saying that Amoeba to Man is not progression? Amoebas had no intelligence. Common ancestors to ape-like creatures were considered to have "less" intelligence than man. Man is considered to be much more intelligent. This is not progression?

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Listen, you guys are not listening to me. Ron Wyatt does not claim this jawbone as evidence. He realized he would have no case. Until the team is able to get in contact with the people who removed it from the hotel lobby, WAR has no case. As you will notice, this jawbone picture is not even available on any of the Ron Wyatt sites. I am shocked that John William found it...my question is...HOW?

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As for who has analyzed these bones, I have no clue. I talk to my friend Andrew Jones almost everyday, and he says that he even has some giant bones.He even said that he gave the rest of his sulphur balls away from Sodom and Gomorrah, but that he still has some giant bones left of which he obtained while he was in the middle east. Is this evidence? Of course not. Just telling you what he told me.Perhaps there is something to all of this. Perhaps not. Time will eventually tell.

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Alright folks, I have some treats. I wouldn't say a feast, since a feast would mean overwhelming evidence. Perhaps someday soon, these treats will eventually lead to the "feast" we've all been waiting for. I emailed Jonothan Gray and asked him if he could send me the picture of this "giant jawbone". He responded me with precisely what I requested, PLUS a bit more. Here is what he had to say along with the attachments he sent me:
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Please find attached the picture you requested.I have not placed it
on the web yet, because of other projects which are of a higher priority at this time. It is true that we have not been able to track its present location. The jawbone picture, unfortunately, was not taken with something to compare its size. I did not personally take it. And it was on display when members of our team were staying
at the Erzurum Hotel, and the next time we came back, it had gone. They did not tell us what happened to it.

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Attached is another picture of a coffin with a 12 foot mummy in it which was stored in London's Broad-street goods depot for some time, was photographed by a reporter, then published in Strand Magazine in 1895. (Notice its size as it leans up
against a railway passenger carriage.)

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Best wishes
Jonathan --------------------------------------------------------------------Interesting stuff indeed. Feel free to add these pics to your collection as they are rare prizes.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-15-2004 03:24 PM

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Okay Brian, please. Can you please delete your post? I want this discussion about giants to be serious. At least Jonathan Gray provided a source of which magazine it was published in. You never know--this might or might not be true. These are things we all need to be open to.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-15-2004 03:44 PM

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More info regarding the giant mummy can be found here:http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ape2.htm#a1Plus, a lot of good info on this site:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ape1.htm#a0

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Even if the coffin is not leaning up against the train car, you can still perceive that it is large. Here is a clearer picture of it: As for evidence folks, since when did I claim this was "evidence". I'm just providing this data for all of us to take a look at and study. I'm not here to say these photos are "proof" of any giants.

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We also have no way of telling "how deep" or "how far extended" this coffin goes back. It is not that far at all from the train car--looking at it from the feet of the mummy to the bottom of the train car.But whatever this "mummy" is, you can be sure I'm pretty skeptical.

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Perhaps you are right PaulK, but as always, the proper scientific method works thus:If it hasn't been proven true, it does not mean it has been proven false. Only until proven false can something as such be entirely "untrue".

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Very good find John Williams.I just wonder how much longer people are going to try and find ways to make this stuff look like 'fakes'. As these things are revealed to the world more and more as we approach the end times, atheists will have less and less excuse. I feel saddened however that you recanted your stanced regarding this find. I've been investigating this myself, and am convinced that it is most likely genuine. Remember, people called Ron Wyatt a "fraud" too, but the facts are now being unraveled to the world that his discoveries weren't so "hoaxy" afterall.I wonder if Jar even read the article about what evolutionists tried to do to cover up this find: (we should ALWAYS post the full article, because people have the tendency to be lazy and read for themselves when it is just a link)----------------------------------------------------------------Arabian Giant Skeleton Update: Hoax Warning And New Developments8/2/2004 Since posting the previous story regarding the giant human skeletal remains found in Saudi Arabia, I have received a number of e-mails. From what people were saying, it at first appeared that the story might actually be a hoax, as the picture being circulated with it (see the Muslim newspaper article I previously linked to) turned out to have been doctored by a notorious Internet prank organization. I was, of course, skeptical of that photo from the beginning: the skeleton depicted in it would have belonged to a man at least 100 feet tall, which is clearly preposterous and not supported by Scripture. (Muslims are, unfortunately, susceptible to this sort of tomfoolery since they rely on the Koran, which contains much incorrect information poorly cribbed from God's true Word: the Bible).However, I continued to investigate this issue, calling on contacts in the Middle East to see if they knew anything about the story that the doctored photo was attached to, which was short on actual details, saying only that the bones were found "recently". Last month my investigation turned up evidence that an ARAMCO geological team had indeed uncovered something in southeast SA in the summer of 2000 which resulted in a contingent of the Saudi police (not the military as previously reported) taking over the site. A missionary in Saudi Arabia (who insists on anonymity due to the extreme anti-Christian persecution going on in that nation) has told me that it is well known among foreign oil workers whom he is in contact with that some sort of human remains were discovered in the desert. The workers' wild speculation on what these remains were ranges from angel fossils to the bones of Mohammed, but the most common claim is that they were giant human bones. Apparently, the rumor is that Saudi religious officials were concerned that the discovery could somehow contradict part of the Koran, thereby helping to propagate Christianity, so they sent in the Mutawwa'in, their notorious religious police, to silence the matter. Although this last part is almost certainly true, I'm of the opinion that the geological branch of the oil industry -- which is infested with Evolutionists dedicated to keeping careful watch over who has access to their secret knowledge that the Earth is really much younger than they publicly claim it to be -- was also involved and somehow manipulated the Saudis into covering up the findings.Last week, as I was preparing to write an update on these developments, I received an e-mail from a video producer in Australia doing a documentary on the search for Noah's Ark (she's also, amusingly, a fellow nemesis of Dr. Dawkins, having managed to trap that slippery weasel on camera unable to answer a question about how new information supposedly "evolves"), who wanted to know more about the McGivern expedition and incidentally if there were any more photos of the giant skeleton. I warned her of what I had discovered about the photo being doctored and not of the actual skeletal remains, but later it occurred to me that there may actually be photos, since surely a finding like this would be documented, even by those who wish to bury it. I decided to contact the missionary and see if he heard of anything about photos being taken at the fossil site prior to the arrival of the police. He said that he had heard there were photos taken, but that the police had confiscated them all, however he would ask around and see if anyone knew any more.Then, just this morning, I received an e-mail from a person in the Saudi oil industry who, understandably, wishes to remain nameless. He told me that he was working as a technician (not a geologist) with the team that found the skeleton and corroborated much of the rumors about the incident. The skeleton was indeed of a giant human and there was a police cover up. He then related that, knowing the importance of what he was witnessing, he managed to surreptitiously copy one of the photos taken at the excavation site from a digicam to his laptop just before the police came and took all the cameras. He has recently converted to Christianity, thanks to our mutual missionary friend, and is fearful of the Mutawwa'in, but wants the world to see the truth of what was found in the desert, and so he attached the photo from that fateful day: As you can see, the skeleton in this photo is of a more reasonable size -- I estimate he or she stood between 15 and 20 feet tall -- and in line with what we would expect from Biblical research. The weathering on it is consistent with the technician's description that the skull was originally found partially uncovered by the winds, and the look of horror on its face is consistent with sudden burial by the Flood combined with realization of one's own wickedness. (I do not know who the person doing the excavating is, but I suspect he works for ARAMCO. However, it is probably best not to dig into his identity since it may put him or his family in jeopardy.)I now believe that the doctored photo was purposely attached to the story and spread through e-mail by Evolutionists as a type of agitprop designed to make Biblical science look bad when the photo was eventually revealed to be a hoax. (Hoaxes like this involving pastiches are a common M.O. for Evolutionists; see Piltdown Man, Onyate Man, Nebraska Man, Archaeoraptor, and "Lucy", to name just a few.) Perhaps they knew that eventually this discovery would get out and they wished to poison the well with doubt about the story's authenticity. But thanks to brave Christians working under the threat of a Wahabi-Evolutionist axis of lies, the truth has finally come out.Source: http://objective.jesussave.us/creationnews.html
-------------------------------------------------------Remember the principle: You are INNOCENT until proven guilty. This is what evolutionists do not want to do, and this is exactly how Ifen, Jar, and Rei are behaving. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this foolishness "it could be this"..."it could be that"..."there is something wrong with this"..and "there is something wrong with that"...You sound so much like children--not like honest seekers for truth. Such a shame.The first photo was definitely a hoax, but why would the second one be a hoax too? It is much more realistic. Hopefully, one day we will get out those giants buried in the cave of En-Gedi.If a mass giant burial is one day officially revealed to the world, I just wonder what evolutionists will do then. Will they suddenly come up with all sorts of new explanations to try and state that there were giants in the process of evolution? I wonder how they will attempt to fit these finds with their garbled evolutionary theories. ROFL.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 09-20-2004 03:34 PM

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