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Author Topic:   Giant People in the bible?
Brian
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Message 52 of 352 (134103)
08-15-2004 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Lysimachus
08-13-2004 1:22 PM


Sadly, they returned and the giant bone on display was MISSING!
Hey, your side really are a carelss lot aren't they?
Is there anything that they haven't lost?
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 55 of 352 (134108)
08-15-2004 4:36 PM


Add this too
lighten up.
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Brian
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Message 200 of 352 (343242)
08-25-2006 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by mitchellmckain
08-25-2006 4:00 AM


Re: But are the Nephilim really giants?
Hi,
There's a positive and a negative here for the Bible and Xian theology:
I think the most straight-forward interpretation of Genesis 6 is that the sons of Adam and Eve married the daughters of other humans on the earth and that their children were giants among men - great leaders, "mighty men" and "men of reknown".
It would be difficult to harmonise other humans on earth that were not descendents of Adam and Eve with that of the Xian concept of sin. The Bible specifically states that Adam and Eve's offspring were cursed, so if there was another unrelated group I don't see how they would inherit sin.
On a positive note, if the term Nephilim referred to 'mighty men' or 'men of reknown', it would remove the contradiction of there being Nephilim before and after the Flood, since we have mighty men in every era of history.
I do think you would struggle to make the term stick to your interpretation given the various descriptions in the bible, even gen. 6:4 may undermine your theory since it mentions 'giants' and 'mighty men' in the same verse.
Regarding this:
product of a union between angels and humans.
A strict reading of Genesis 6:4 doesn't actually say that the Nephilim were involved with the women, the verse only testifies to the presence of Nephilim before and after these marriages happened.
From the KJV:
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Nephilim is translated as 'giants' here. But, if you actually read the passage it is clear that it was sons of God who came to the daughters of men, and not necessarily the Nephilim.
Sons of God is a difficult term to deal with fully, but in the Hebrew Bible it can be used in the context of 'having the nature of' or 'showing obedience to', it can also refer to the nation of Israel of Ephraim (Exodus 4:22, Deut 1:31 and Hos. 11:1)
Nephilim can also be translated as 'the fallen ones'.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 216 of 352 (493223)
01-07-2009 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Coyote
01-06-2009 10:32 PM


Re: Tall individuals is one thing...
If there were giants running amok in the old days, where are the bones?
There should be more evidence than just their bones. There's a whole range of artefacts and ecofacts missing as well.

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Brian
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Message 220 of 352 (493250)
01-07-2009 4:42 PM
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01-07-2009 4:33 PM


Re: Tall individuals is one thing...
Yet you are adamant that it only goes back a few thousand years.
The mention of some giants only goes back a few thousand years. Giants are mentioned in Numbers, a post Exodus book, and the giants in Genesis 6 can be dated by Bible chronology to be only c. 4400 years ago.

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Brian
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Message 234 of 352 (493779)
01-10-2009 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by deerbreh
01-09-2009 4:06 PM


Source?
Hi Deerbreh,
I just noticed this: who was about 7 feet tall if one can believe the text,
Can I ask where you get this from?
The reason I ask is because it is fairly well known in theology circles that Goliath was almost ten feet tall. The text says 6 cubits and a span, around 9ft 9in, some texts say "over 9 feet tall".
At the back of my mind I recall that there was a text, perhaps in an early version of 1 Samuel where Goliath was described as 4 cubits and a span, which would fit in well with your information.
Do you recall where you get your height for Goliath from as I am very interested in this.
Many thanks.

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Brian
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Message 236 of 352 (493965)
01-12-2009 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by deerbreh
01-11-2009 8:24 PM


Re: Source?
Cheers mate, thanks for taking the time to point it out.

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