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Modulous
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Message 316 of 352 (533245)
10-29-2009 1:49 PM
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10-29-2009 1:36 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
The giant Machnov
Died in his thirties from symptoms consistent with acromegaly.
This man picture below was 8'9
And unable to walk.
This Elizabethan woman was measured at 8'4. He name was Trijntje Keever.
And she died before she reached 18.
Where, pray tell, is there evidence that human DNA cannot produce such giants?
There seems decent empirical evidence to suggest that growing tall tends to lead towards health complications. Moreover - it can be shown that increasing height increases volume by more which puts pressures on the heart that a bigger heart cannot cope with leading to circulation issues. There are also issues with information making its way around the body...six footers already have a delay of about a tenth of a second. It could take half a second before a 25footer even knows whether his foot has touched the floor.
There are many issues with being that big.

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Theodoric
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Message 317 of 352 (533247)
10-29-2009 1:55 PM
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10-29-2009 1:36 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Contrary to what Theodoric said there are scores of historical accounts of people who were 8 to 25 ft. tall. But those were before photographs could be made of them. But since photographs of giant people doesn't suffice the skeptics like Theodoric then why would we expect drawings of such things to convince them
Do you even read what people post? Do you even attempt to refute what people say? Have I yet denied there were people up to 9 ft tall? I have pointed out that your sources exaggerated on some of their claims. I am still waiting for evidence you claimed earlier about Mr. Aason.
Ok show me evidence for people over 9 ft tall. Not anecdote, not stories, but evidence.
How about a bone or two of these 25 foot giants. Also, please explain how the human body could sustain such bulk.
These people you keep mentioning that were under 9' tall do nothing to support your argument or disprove mine.
I found another picture of one Ella Ewing of Missouri who was also 8'4 but for some reason the picture would not process. You can find her picture here:
How come the website of the 30 tallest people ever doesn't mention her?
Maybe because the other website you reference gives 2 heights. 8'4" and 7'6". But again this does absolutely nothing for your argument. Where are the 10 footers, the 15 footers and yes where are the 25 footers?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Granny Magda
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Message 318 of 352 (533248)
10-29-2009 1:57 PM
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10-29-2009 1:49 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Hi Mod,
I agree that individuals of this kind of great height would face difficulties. They would not be agile, indeed they would be somewhat lumbering. One is forced to question their effectiveness as warriors. All it would take would be one agile little bloke with a spear and they would be in big trouble.
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Coyote
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Message 319 of 352 (533249)
10-29-2009 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Calypsis4
10-29-2009 1:36 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Contrary to what Theodoric said there are scores of historical accounts of people who were 8 to 25 ft. tall. But those were before photographs could be made of them. But since photographs of giant people doesn't suffice the skeptics like Theodoric then why would we expect drawings of such things to convince them?
Claiming heights on the order of 25 feet is ludicrous.
But these kinds of claims can be documented easily: just produce the bones.
Strange though how these claims evaporate when someone either looks for the bones or examines the bones, eh? An example posted upthread consisted of cow bones and bones of normal size.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Calypsis4
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Message 320 of 352 (533250)
10-29-2009 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Granny Magda
10-29-2009 1:48 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Are you sure that's what you meant to write?
That is exactly what I meant.
I question any source that is like the spectacular tabloids or the You Tube junk concerning the 'giant' found(first in India and later the same in the Sahara desert) because those can be proven to be phony. But when such records are from kings, their registrars, etc. as from public archives then there is credibility to them.
But God's Word the Bible is enough for Christians. Og, king of Bashan was much taller than Goliath. He measured about 13 ft tall. Deut. 3:11. The Hebrews saw much taller men than him.

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Calypsis4
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Message 321 of 352 (533251)
10-29-2009 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 319 by Coyote
10-29-2009 2:04 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
"Claiming heights on the order of 25 feet is ludicrous."
And just a few weeks ago, 8'11 was 'ludicrous'.
But then skeptics like you wouldn't even believe Wm Herschel and the astronomers who verified volcanic action on the moon in his day. So am I surprised that you reject even legitimate historical records as well as that of the scriptures?
Nope.

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Calypsis4
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Message 322 of 352 (533252)
10-29-2009 2:36 PM
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10-29-2009 1:57 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
I agree that individuals of this kind of great height would face difficulties. They would not be agile, indeed they would be somewhat lumbering. One is forced to question their effectiveness as warriors. All it would take would be one agile little bloke with a spear and they would be in big trouble.
Yeah, you're right. And the dinosaurs could not have been 70 to 80 ft long and weigh thousands of tons. Such creatures were not suited for the mobility that would be required for survival. They must have been less then 10 or 12 feet long and just several hundred lbs. Right? Never mind the evidence.(wink).

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Granny Magda
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Message 323 of 352 (533253)
10-29-2009 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Calypsis4
10-29-2009 2:29 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Hi Cal,
That is exactly what I meant.
Wow.
But God's Word the Bible is enough for Christians.
So your "scores of historical sources" amounts to "it says so in the Bible". This is a blatant circular argument, not really what's expected on the Accuracy/Inaccuracy forum.
Are you planning to produce any of the rest of your "scores" of sources? I'd love to see one of your picture shows of 25 foot tall people, or even their bones...
Yeah, you're right. And the dinosaurs could not have been 70 to 80 ft long and weigh thousands of tons.
I'm assuming that you are able to tell the difference between a man and a dinosaur. Or perhaps you are suggesting that Goliath was a triceratops?
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Calypsis4
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Message 324 of 352 (533254)
10-29-2009 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Granny Magda
10-29-2009 2:46 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Wow
You believe in an accidental world that happened all by itself and that life developed of its own accord without a single example that such a thing could happen in the first place. You believe that there is no ultimate 'a priori cause'.
Wow.
Edited by Calypsis4, : correction

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Granny Magda
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Message 325 of 352 (533255)
10-29-2009 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Calypsis4
10-29-2009 2:49 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
Calypsis, quit trying to change the subject. The topic is not about dinosaurs, or the moon, or first causes, or my beliefs, or faeries at the the bottom of your garden. The topic is giants.
Are you going to share your "scores" of giant (25') men with us?
Are you going to address the point made by Modulous, that some of the individuals you cite as giants were in fact somewhat disabled?
Or not?
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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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Calypsis4
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Message 326 of 352 (533257)
10-29-2009 3:04 PM
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10-29-2009 2:54 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
The 'subject' has been covered.
Stop nit-picking at me.
If you won't believe the testimony of God's Word about historical fact then you won't believe any other fact that goes contrary to your ridiculous position of denial.
The positon of the skeptic: "I have been in all places at all times and observed all events and occurrences so that I am qualified to declare that there is no 'God', no supernatural occurrences, and nothing else that my prejudices dictate is not true.
Now THAT, is the truth.
We've covered the bases here.

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Granny Magda
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Message 327 of 352 (533258)
10-29-2009 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by Calypsis4
10-29-2009 3:04 PM


You're No Fun
You say;
Stop nit-picking at me.
but all I'm asking is that you provide backing for your claims with evidence, y'know, like you agreed to do when you signed up for this forum. If you can't produce any evidence for your preposterous twenty-five foot people, I guess I'll have to assume that they are figments of the imagination. A pity. I'd quite like to live in a world that had twenty-five foot tall people in it. That's something that, contrary to your claims, I'd actually quite like to be able to believe. I'm not just going to take your word for it though. Or the Bible's for that matter.
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Calypsis4
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Message 328 of 352 (533259)
10-29-2009 3:14 PM
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10-29-2009 3:12 PM


Re: You're No Fun
I said STOP!
Go look them up on the Internet yourself just like I did and prove that you aren't a lazy bum like most of the other posters here.
Hint: type g-i-a-n-t-s on your search engine.

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Granny Magda
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Message 329 of 352 (533261)
10-29-2009 3:19 PM
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10-29-2009 3:14 PM


Re: You're No Fun
Hmm...
I said STOP!
Okay Calypsis, I'll stop. If you're happy to let the record show that you have provided no evidence for your loopy twenty-five foot people claim and that when pressed for such evidence, you pointedly refused, tried to change the subject and then resorted to personal abuse, that's good enough for me.
Go look them up on the Internet yourself just like I did and prove that you aren't a lazy bum like most of the other posters here.
So it's my responsibility to back up your arguments? Tell me, are you from the Bizarro world at all?
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Coyote
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Message 330 of 352 (533265)
10-29-2009 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by Calypsis4
10-29-2009 3:04 PM


Re: 7 to 9 feet tall is not the issue
The 'subject' has been covered.
Stop nit-picking at me. ...
We've covered the bases here.
We have, you haven't. In your usual hit and run posting style you have produced a lot of assertions with virtually no evidence. And, as usual, you react to any corrections or refutations of your claims with derision and name calling, and revert to quoting scripture, as if that were scientific evidence.
If you won't believe the testimony of God's Word about historical fact then you won't believe any other fact that goes contrary to your ridiculous position of denial.
We follow the evidence, not unsubstantiated ancient writings. And you have no evidence of 25-foot tall humans, nor anything even close.
You prove over and over that you have no real evidence, and that you are not really interested in debating. Instead, your goal here seems to be preaching.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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