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Author Topic:   The Existence of Jesus Christ
New Cat's Eye
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Message 5 of 378 (211963)
05-27-2005 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
05-27-2005 5:17 PM


minnemooseus writes:
What record is there, outside of the Bible, supporting the existance of the Jesus Christ of the Bible?
Well, most of the records of Jesus have been claimed, by those that don't believe, to be inserted by Christians later, or just repeatings of things people heard from Christians. But here's a couple anyways:
In his Annals, Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 CE) writes:
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.
from: http://www.myfortress.org/historians.html
The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, writing during the second half of the first century CE, produced two major works: History of the Jewish War and Antiquities of the Jews. Two apparent references to Jesus occur in the second of these works. The longer, and more famous passage, occurs in Book 18 of Antiquities and reads as follows (taken from the standard accepted Greek text of Antiquities 18:63-64 by L. H. Feldman in the Loeb Classical Library):
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats and as a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing amongst us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had prophesied these and countless other marvellous things about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
from Scott Oser Hojfaq » Internet Infidels
There's more on that website about whether or not Josephus actually wrote that or if christians inserted it, and which part might have been inserted, etc.
I've also heard, though I couldn't find, that there are Roman death records of the crucifixtion of Jesus.

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