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Theodoric
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Message 331 of 378 (571862)
08-02-2010 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Kapyong
07-23-2010 10:54 PM


Welcome back
I have you previous post to this bookmarked for reference when I need this info. A great summation of the subject. I use it quite often.
Thanks

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 332 of 378 (571863)
08-02-2010 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by John 10:10
08-02-2010 7:24 PM


I am confused.
How is this evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 333 of 378 (571876)
08-02-2010 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Theodoric
08-02-2010 7:37 PM


Re: I am confused.
Not only is Johns reply not evidence for Jesus, it isnt even evidence Paul met Jesus.

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Message 334 of 378 (572037)
08-03-2010 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by John 10:10
08-02-2010 7:24 PM


The writer of Luke/Acts, writing in the very late part of the first century, or the very early part in the second century , put words into Paul's mouth. How is this evidence of a historical Jesus?

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Message 335 of 378 (572076)
08-03-2010 2:12 PM
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08-02-2010 7:24 PM


John 10:10 writes:
The writer, Paul, who did mention the Lord Jesus Christ declared this in Acts 2
Did Paul exist? Can we use Holden Caulfield as a witness to the existence of Tom Joad?

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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Message 336 of 378 (572078)
08-03-2010 3:05 PM
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08-02-2010 7:37 PM


Re: I am confused.
quote:
How is this evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ?
I think most unbelievers at this forum are somewhat familiar with the causality principle. Causality is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first.
When applied to sinners who repent according to Acts 2:38-39, they/we receive the gift of God's Holy Spirit.
The proof is in the pudding for those who repent.
Blessings

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Message 337 of 378 (572079)
08-03-2010 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by John 10:10
08-03-2010 3:05 PM


Re: I am confused.
How is any of that relevant or evidence of Jesus?
John 10:10 writes:
When applied to sinners who repent according to Acts 2:38-39, they/we receive the gift of God's Holy Spirit.
Of course repentance has NOTHING to do with the topic, nor is there any evidence of anyone receiving the gift of God's Holy Spirit.
John 10:10 writes:
The proof is in the pudding for those who repent.
Except not only have you not offered any proof, you have not even offered any evidence.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Theodoric
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Message 338 of 378 (572081)
08-03-2010 4:05 PM
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08-03-2010 3:05 PM


ok I am not confused. You are.
So what you have is something less than mumbo-jumbo. How about trying to focus on the topic.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 339 of 378 (572803)
08-07-2010 6:24 PM
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08-03-2010 3:17 PM


Re: I am confused.
quote:
How is any of that relevant or evidence of Jesus?
Since the Lord Jesus gives the gift of the Holy Spirit to sinners who repent of their sins and are baptized in His name for the forgiveness of their sins, how would you know if this occurs? Are you like one of those Paul met in Acts 19:2? If so, Paul said,
"John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. (verses 4-6)

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Message 340 of 378 (572808)
08-07-2010 6:41 PM
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08-07-2010 6:24 PM


Still looking for evidence of the existence of Jesus
Yada, yada.
How is that evidence of the existence of Jesus?
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 341 of 378 (573192)
08-10-2010 10:39 AM
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08-07-2010 6:24 PM


Re: I am confused.
Most unbelievers at this forum believe in the causality principle when it comes to scientific principles, but reject it when it comes to spiritual principles.
WHY?
Because Biblical spiritual principles are for those who believe and receive the truth of WHO JESUS IS.
The evidence of WHO JESUS IS is given to those who believe, not to skeptics and unbelievers.

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Message 342 of 378 (573193)
08-10-2010 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 341 by John 10:10
08-10-2010 10:39 AM


Re: I am confused.
John 10:10 writes:
Most unbelievers at this forum believe in the causality principle when it comes to scientific principles, but reject it when it comes to spiritual principles.
WHY?
Because Biblical spiritual principles are for those who believe and receive the truth of WHO JESUS IS.
The evidence of WHO JESUS IS is given to those who believe, not to skeptics and unbelievers.
Of course, beyond that practice being simply stupid, it is also circular and unnecessary. If someone already believes then any evidence for that belief is unnecessary.
If you cannot present the evidence to skeptics and unbelievers you are not following the Great Commission and are failing Jesus.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 343 of 378 (573245)
08-10-2010 2:08 PM
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08-10-2010 10:45 AM


Re: I am confused.
What Mr. 10:10 is trying to get across to us is that the brains of the unrepentant exhibit some sort of Magick Transformation at the moment we accept the Lord into our hearts (brains). Prior to the metaphysical "switch" flipping, the lack of Holy Spirit would have prohibited us from enjoying a higher plane of spiritual understanding, in which certain questionable, unreasonable, irrational, or just plain confusing subjects suddenly become crystal clear. Or so the mountebanks say.
Unfortunately, this upgrade is only available to certain Christians and the delusional.
Have a good one.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Theodoric
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Message 344 of 378 (573273)
08-10-2010 5:05 PM
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08-10-2010 10:39 AM


Still confused
What does this have to do with the non-existence of Jesus Christ? Are you confirming that you have no evidence, other than a book of questionable provenance, with multiple errors and out right lies and forgeries?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 345 of 378 (573727)
08-12-2010 3:12 PM
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08-10-2010 2:08 PM


Magic Transformation of the Unrepentant
There is nothing magic about the brains of the unrepentant, they are just blind, as Paul declares in 2 Cor 4,
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
This gospel is available to all God is calling to Himself, to the "whosoever wills" of this world, not the "whosoeverwont's" of this world.

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