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Wolf
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Message 34 of 113 (231493)
08-09-2005 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
08-09-2005 1:44 PM


My take on the Bible is; it was written by man to control man and has no supernatural involvement. I will review your examples of prophecies fulfilled. I will need to do a little refreshing, as I have not studied this info for a while now. Also I have not read my book, Who Wrote the Bible and Jesus, is he a Pagan God (at work book not with me, title could be wrong). As far as my research into the subject has showed no historical evidence of Jesus existence. I have stated on the other thread what my personal feeling about Jesus is. I would like to know what Archeological evidence exist.
I would say some of the cities would be found to be in existence. As it is the history of a people and their beliefs, that their God helped them to conquer other people.
Authorship? Elaborate.
The winners write history.
Manuscripts? Elaborate.
Ask the Germans, their history books reflect an entirely different story than ours do about WWII. Who writes History and are they not biased towards their own beliefs or society.
As I said before I used to be Christian, I never felt a magical/spiritual event at all. I was once Wiccian and again never felt spiritual or connected to a deity. I have asked Jesus to answer me that I am wrong in believing in evolution, to save me if I am walking down the wrong road. No answer has come. You are not my answer as this is not how I asked to be showed. You are telling me why you believe. Maybe I will change my mind but I doubt it.
A bit off topic, but people say evolutionist are indoctrinated. I disagree, people are indoctrinated into religion. It's what your parents believe and pass that off on you, your entire life. My mom took me to church and Sunday school when I was young. My wife and her mom do the same to her daughter. They have her pray and mark a cross on her pillow and read her children’s stories about god. I don't say anything about it, as it is her daughter. My wife is carrying our son and I will refuse to let him be brainwashed before he can think for himself. Once I myself started to question things I came to realize something smelled funny and asked why. I have become as far as I am concerned a freethinker, not indoctrinated or brain washed any longer. I have no doubt evolution has occurred, I still have a few questions, but for the most part I am content with my knowledge of what is the truth. You may argue that the children have not been brain washed, if that is the case then why has every civilization, held the same beliefs? Romans, Greeks, different Tribes of Indians, Japanese, Chinese (small villages inside), Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu the list goes on and on. Now sometimes when the children grow up they realize the wool has been pulled over their eyes and become freethinkers maybe they change religions or realize evolution has taken place by the large amount of evidence that supports it. But now we have Christian missionaries spreading the word of their chosen God and changing their entire beliefs and culture. Is this right?

"A Dwarf on a Giants Shoulder sees the Furthest of the Two!"

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Wolf
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Message 62 of 113 (231767)
08-10-2005 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Rahvin
08-09-2005 7:59 PM


Amazing how so many other beliefs parallel those of the Christian faith. Of course you know it was Satan who came along and confused the people so they would not know who the true savior was right? My guess Christianity is a thief of those religions made law by Constantine. I saw a National Geographic show where there was evidence of a meteor that struck the ground about the same time Constantine went to war with his rival, hence his god given sign...
I wonder where Christianity would be right now had Constantine not made it the Empires Official religion.

"A Dwarf on a Giants Shoulder sees the Furthest of the Two!"

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Wolf
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Message 63 of 113 (231795)
08-10-2005 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
08-09-2005 1:44 PM


Tal I will have to say I agree with Jar on that first passage, I looked over the other ones and don't see it like you do. Different times different people. If he did exist he knew the OT well and fulfilled them himself. Or the storyteller fulfilled it. From my understanding 30 silver was not very much money. That was (memory failing) either one weeks pay or a months pay for a sons labor on his fathers farm. Hardly worth giving up the Messiah for.
It's hard for me to understand how someone can believe in stories written by people thousands of years ago. Their way of life and knowledge of the world was severally lacking compared to ours. Curses were taken very seriously. Why is Christianity right and not other religions of today? Or other religions that are now considered myth? Where is God now? I would say there is more sin now, than during the supposed great flood. Also look up Deucalion, why is the story about him myth and not Noah? Historians wrote about Mithra so it must be true as well. If not why is Jesus, which Josephus writings about him have been brought into serious question.
**Edit**
What about the other Gospels that have been found. Why are they not official? Why do the Dead Sea scrolls that date up to about 70 CE, make no mention of Jesus?
**Edit 2**
L. Michael White:
Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin
From a historical perspective what we really know about the life of Jesus is very, very limited depending on which gospel you read. His actual career may be something less then one year and maybe even as little as only a few months, whereas in John's Gospel his career is nearly three years long. So there are these kinds of historical discrepancies among the gospels themselves. They range from the way his birth occurred to the actual day on which he was executed and even to the kinds of teachings and miracles that he performs throughout his career. As a result we begin to see that the gospels themselves are not as useable as historical information as we might have hoped.
This message has been edited by Wolf, 08-10-2005 07:32 AM
This message has been edited by Wolf, 08-10-2005 07:40 AM

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