Genesis Creation Stories: Sequence Contradictions?

I think Kelly was suggesting that Hebrew terminology for beastes of the field is different for other animals.....BTW, I find it ironic that a man could critisize others for not understanding biology and then make the assertion that all animals live in fields.

While on that topic, exactly where is Behe lacking in his understanding of biology, Crash?

Of course "beastes of the field" refers to all animals......after all, all animals live in fields......ESPECIALLY fish.......desert dwelling creatures........

"I don't believe you"? What kind of weak counter-assertion is that? It seems clear that Crash's primary debating technique is sticking his fingers in his ears and humming to himself to drown out the sounds of arguments which contradict his own.......

Crash is one of those guys you love while you're in agreement and hate when you're not.......

She gave you a direct quotation from a scholar of ancient Hebrew which stated her point as fact.......what more can she do to back up her point?Now it's your turn to either make a non-laughable counter assertion or conceed the point.

Which is perfectly consistant with the style of story telling used by the Hebrews in which you give a broad overview of the story and then go over it again in greater detail........

The assertion that Genisis 1 and 2 were originally intended to be read as seperate stories, the first ending at verse 3 of chapter 2 and the second begining at verse 4, is a huge assumption based entirely on ONE apparent contradiction throughout the entirety of both.The second creation story supposedly begins with verse 4, which states "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens." What proponents of this groundless theory never point out is that this supposed second creation story DOESN'T INCLUDE the creation of the Earth.......or the heavens........Meaning that the above verse, far from being the intended begining of a second chronology, was placed there to CONNECT the broad overview portion of the story with the more detailed account. And the heavens and earth are not the only things whose creation isn't outlined in the "second" chronology.......the creation of sea life, plant life and cattle isn't detailed either. I'll tell ya, if this supposed second story was actually intended to be read as a seperate creation story, I think it would have accounted for the existance of small details like the earth, the heavens, sea life, plant life and cattle.But there is one apparent contradiction, I conceed, between the two stories, as PaulK mentioned earlier.......that being the creation of birds preceeding the creation of man. Still, that's a minor point, easily explained away as poetic liscense and/or errors in transcription and translation. It's a huge leap to take that one tiny chronological incongruity and assert that it's proof of dual chronology.

Yep......apart from the fact that Genisis 2 doesn't mention the creation of sea life......or plant life......or cattle, apparently.......or the heavens or the earth.......Other than that, same amount of detail. There's only one bit of contradiction completely confined to one verse, which is easily explained away as poetic liscence or error in trascription or translation........

Sure I can, when considering that it's in poetic form and that it's the only part that contradicts......And you still can't get past the little fact that this supposed second chronology of the creation of heaven and earth is missing little details one would expect to find in a chronology, such as the creation of sea life, plant life, cattle and the heavens and earth themselves! Actually, in the very verse you're referring to, there's a distinction made between beasts of the earth and cattle......

That's not the creation of plant life.......it's the creation of Eden. And that's why serious Biblical students don't use paraphrase translations, like the Living Bible....... Saying verse 4 is an account of the creation of heaven and earth is like saying "let me tell ya 'bout a story 'bout a man named Jeb" is the entirety of the first episode of the Beverly Hillbillies........ So, what, God decided later on "hey, I should add a few seas, lakes rivers, etc.......oh, and I should fill those with life"........ So far, we've come up with ONE....... You also don't speak ancient Hebrew......

Crash, you're missing the forrest for the trees.......does the time-line of the creation of animals and birds apparently conflict with the Genisis 1 creation of animals and birds? Yes. Can you call a creation story that doesn't include the creation of heaven, earth, sea life, plant life and cattle a seperate chronolgy? No, you can't.

Untrue, and you have no really solid evidence to back up multiple authorship.

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I don't recall there being anything in the registration agreemen about signature length..........besides, I think this is less about the length of my signature and more about what my signature says......

Oh, no, I'm gonna keep posting my signature like it is, as long as there's nothing against it in the rules.......because if there's nothing against it in the rules, there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me, correct? Can't put me in boot camp for NOT breaking the rules, right?