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ringo

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Message 78 of 113 (385388)
02-15-2007 12:41 PM

Reply to: Message 77 by velcero
02-15-2007 11:51 AM

Re: Land or World?

velcero writes:

In my Bible, the quote from Luke 23:44 is "It was now about noon and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon". There is not mention of the whole earth.

The King James version says:

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Luk 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

The real issue here is: why is the darkness important to the story?

If the authors intended to show that "the whole world weeps" for Jesus' death, then a local darkness would be meaningless. What other significance do you think the darkness might have had?

In the movies, people die in darkened rooms, funerals are cloudy and rainy.... If the darkness was a plot device, it really has no bearing on the accuracy of the Bible.

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Message 82 of 113 (385941)
02-18-2007 11:59 AM

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02-18-2007 11:15 AM

velcero writes:

That is why I proposed the position that the sun being darkened was more probably caused by heavy cloud cover, whether it occurred locally or world-wide was not my main point.

And my point was that three cloudy days would be totally insignificant - no reason to mention it at all. It has to be a "cataclysmic" darkness or it has no meaning.

But it isn't an issue of inerrancy so much as literalism.

Could three days of darkness occur? Of course.

Did three days of darkness occur? There's no way of knowing.

Does it matter if three days of darkness occured? No.

The importance of the darkness is metaphoric - it's a darkness in the soul of the author, not a literal darkness. The only errancy involved is taking everything too @#$%ing literally.

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Message 84 of 113 (385950)
02-18-2007 1:05 PM

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02-18-2007 12:55 PM

velcero writes:

Shallow opinions are permissable....

I bet people will be more impressed with your posts if you actually discuss the issue.

Dismissing a point - shallow or not - is tantamount to conceding it.

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Message 87 of 113 (385958)
02-18-2007 1:44 PM

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02-18-2007 1:35 PM

velcero writes:

I choose not to dignify your response with another one.

No problem. My responses come with their own built-in dignity (such as it is) and require no validation from you.

I'm just trying to help you get with the program.

Around here, we discuss. We don't just pontificate, dismiss and run away.

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