The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made

One could easily say that the Round Earth theory is widely accepted *only* because it is the lone model programmed into our brains all the way up from pre-school through university doctorate.

NO No no. That is only one small class of errors in the bible...The larger issue with the bible is that it is riddled with philosophical inconsistencies.

You are saved by works; No you are saved by grace and faith.

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Love your enemies; Kill and destroy your enemies (OBTW keep the young virgins women children for yourselves)

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God is mercy; Show no mercy do not spare the little children or the pregnant women.

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God loves children; Blessed are they that dash their enemies little ones on the rocks.

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God is a God of peace; God is a man of war and the lord is his name.

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God does not change his mind; God relents.

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God is omnipotent and knows the future exhaustively; The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

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God is not a God of confusion; The Lord confused the language of the whole earth (because evidently God who created nebula 50 light years across was threaten by a unified world)

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Love your neighbor; Enslaving your neighbor is OK, but if you do strike your slave be sure that he/she lingers for a day. There are many, many examples of not loving you neighbor throughout the Bible.

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Salvation in the older texts is within the context of deliverance from temporal/physical oppression/poverty; in the New Testament salvation is from eternal hell. Paradise in the OT is the Garden, Paradise in the NT is paved streets of gold and other worldly. (One can see the *evolution* of the concept of heaven and hell by reading the Bible).

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These is just off the top, I could go on - but I think you get the picture.

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And then there are the errors of omission. Or the complete lack of insight or understanding of the nature of world beyond the contemporary understanding at the time of writing?

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Cosmology. The greatest understatement of all times has to be the short phase in Genesis "and he made the stars also". Or how about The stopping of the Sun in the sky, reversing the suns shadow, stars falling to the earth, The earth's foundations, the dome of the sky embedded with stars, etc.

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Genetics. Just how does one breed spotted goats?

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Geometry. The ratio of diameter to the circumference is what?

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Zoology. What animals chew cud?

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Physiology. Women came from a rib? Adam must have an extra rib just for this.

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etc...

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As I like to point out, not one discovery of the natural world has every come about by a literal or *inspired* reading of the Bible.

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Errors of ethical absolutes..

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Why does the Bible consider women inferior? The law in the OT is stacked against women, rape is differentially punished, virgin female children can be used as war booty, A menstuous woman are unclean, etc.

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In fact, the soul of a *man* can die if he comes near a menstrual woman. Which implies that women do not have souls.

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Slavery is acceptable and even required in some circumstances within the Law.

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Blood and sacrifice to atone for sins?

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Different set of rules for foreigners

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And then there are the errors of failed prophecies...

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Cities that were to be destroyed and be nevermore are now thriving cities.

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When did the Nile ever dry up.

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When was Egypt ever depopulated and no one every walked across it for 40 years.

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The present generation (at the time of Jesus) will live to see the end.

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The Bible is overwhelmingly obvious to be written by humans.

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The Bible documents:

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The evolution of a monotheistic religion.

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Man's grappling with the issues that arise after the transition from hunter/gather tribes to agricultural city-states.

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Human's dealing with mortality.

Pilate, my point is that these are not mere "loopholes" but major rips in the continuity, consistency and validity that one would expect to find in a book "authored" by the deity that created the world and that is unchanging.The main philosophies and key concepts, such as salvation, evolve over the time span of the writing of the text that make up the Bible.This is true even though the Bible was *selectively compiled* from a collection of works. In other words, one would expect some increased consistency in a book that compiled from a larger body of works by a group of men with a common philosophic outlook.Yes, there has been centuries of apologists struggling to answers these inconsistencies. I have avidly read most of these mainstream explanations. In some cases, I can give ground and accept some explanations as plausible. In most, however, the apologetics are strained, forced, implausible and unsatisfactory. The simple fact that this issue has divided Christians for ages and spawned denominations attest to the lack of consistency within the text. Even within the small sampling of *self professed holy ghost inspired* Christians that post here, you will find wide discrepancies in belief on this very issue.More generally the fact that there are a multitude of denominations is evidence of the inconsistency of the Bible. How does one judge the unborn? What sort of judges rules that innocent young virgin girls are to become righteous war booty?That is not mercy unless one alters the normal meaning of the concept mercy. In the below passage, where is the mention of "repeated warnings" by the alleged god of the OT? This is conquest! Not judgment of the unrighteous. There is no mercy, kindness, neighborly love to be found here.If the question is: is the Bible written by Man or God? I believe there is a preponderance of evidence that it is authored, written, copied, edited, redacted and compiled by humans.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Faith vs Works - the concept itself is very simple.The only reason it is a complex issue is because the Bible is very inconsistent about addressing it. This is because you have people expounding in texts, different view points, evidence of the text being written by humans and not some higher being. In the old testament there is even inconsistency about the concept of salvation itself - let alone faith vs works.

Confusing or inconsistent, however you wish to color it, the point is that because it is confusing and/or inconsistent is evidence of the book's less than divine origin and compilation. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Inconsistent/confusing != DeepThe message is not deep; just inconsistent. The inconsistency is indeed consistent with many different authors, editors and cultural time periods.The stories, myths and messages are quite human. For example, worshiping a vision of god that:

Requires and demands adoration (similar to kings and high priests)

Requires blood and sacrifice for atonement of sin

Anthropomorphizes God, an Alpha Male (typical of many religions)

Elevates men and degrades women

Seduces with promises of immortality

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Is very much human and very much a product of its time period.

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Rob writes:

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Personally, I think we should expect divine wisdom to be rather puzzling to us.

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And it is, try studying quantum mechanics, relativity, cosmology or molecular biology!

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Actually I was saying the opposite.The Bible inflates mans position in the universe.The Bible talks about the earth as the center of creation. That man is distinct from the animal kingdom. That man is made in the likeness of God. Pure hubris.Science has slowly discovered a different picture. First, it was an insult to the religious minded that the earth is not the center of the universe, but is subserverent to the Sun and is embedded in a galaxy that is a member of larger galaxy cluster.Then it was a second insult to discover that humans are branch of the animal kingdom and share a common heritage with other lifeforms. That we are not some separate creation, as is taught in the Bible. We share DNA with other animals and there is considerable DNA overlap with our nearest neighbors. Many of our complex social interaction traits can be found in more primitive forms in other primates. We are an interesting species with unique capabilities but not separate or distinct from the animal kingdom.Next the Bible incorrectly paints god as an alpha-male warrior and this god requires adoration and glory. This is the stuff of egotistical megalomaniac rulers, which the writers of the Bible naturally transfered to the next level of hierarchy.These are all clues that the Bible is a man made product and not "Godly made" as some suggest.The Bible makes God in the image of Man - blasphemy I believe.God loves a humble man and science has given us a humbling perspective. Religion on the other hand attempts to undeservingly elevate us to just a notch below God. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

I common theme I have found here is that non-Christians are much better versed on the Bible then supposed bible believers.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

The Bible wasn't even an entity when such passages were written.Second something self-referential referring to itself as true is hardly of value. Other "holy books" make the same statement. For those lacking discernment and basic reasoning skills, perhaps.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

The same question can be asked of you.You come here with simplistic reasons why the Bible is Godly made and then balk when you same reasoning is applied to a religious book you are unfamiliar with and then you equivocate. What reasons do you have not to believe this?

Just what question did i avoid? And that discounts it because..... So in your opinion do these... Agree with....

I just demonstrated that it does not. As in contextual or situational or relative ethics? Jesus did not say love your enemy unless they have sinned creating an idol.The statement and the philosophy being exemplified do not agree - try as you may the words are stark and plain.Here is another... Show no mercy and no pity for even the innocent children. Compare to Jesus's words and tell me how these thoughts agree.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : Fixed subtitle

The finger prints of humans are all over the content of the Bible. That assertion is not hard to prove. I think a good number of Church going Christians believe that the Bible was gifted by God in black leather binding and red letter highlighting.The Question I have is that according to the Bible, God interacted significantly on many occasions in human affairs - most of those however usually involved some form of mass slaughter. Now If this being supposedly would stop the sun and stay the moon to ensure complete genocide, why wouldn't this being not be a bit more proactive in the preservation of the original inspired writings?For example, why not a miraculously delivery of some sturdy writing materials or why not prevention of the normal decay found with other ancient writings or some strict miraculous content purity enforcement?

Why do we not have the original 10 commandments written by the finger of God? You would think that would have been preserved by both man and God.

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Why do we not have the original Gospels or even autographed copies? The Gospels didn't even have authors assigned to them until much later. Many parts appear to be added later including my most favorite part in Matthew about Jesus and the stoning of the women.

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Why do we not have some forceful hard-to-dispute identification of what are the list of inspired works. For example, carved into a rock by the finger of God or miraculous preservation or found in the constellations of the heavens, etc.

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Reference please....You will need to show your work here.http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/31_masorite.html Further being preserved with high fidelity from century to century does not demonstrate that the Bible is Godly made.

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