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Brad McFall
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Message 76 of 82 (53073)
08-31-2003 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dave901
07-21-2003 12:46 AM


Re: Lineage of Jesus
I do not know if this is the most apropo place to place my next post as the admins have been quite kind and provided me with a list of my thread heads to which I really need to look first for any outstanding questions and as it is true I tried to search for "free will" with the sites search engine but got an internal error and then a web page called 'pico seRch" ahhh..I do nt program and yet from what I HEARD in church today reCalling this thread would not be out of order.
The crucial point I am addressing come from the Biblical Creationism/Theology of any David to jesus Justified connection WHICH WAS FOR THE EVOLUTIONISTS THEIR but not the creationists burden tohave chain entrained free will. I NEVER understood this in the 80s when it was an issue for Will Provine and was linked then to support for Chinese Population contrOl which I was ALLso against but that is another thread, this one is on predesitination, the empty tomb and free will which is a burden for evolutionists but is absolutely not for a creationist if Mendel was mistaken aboutindepenence in reciprocal crosses and I am correct about Noah2by2=A+2Aa+a term by term in Linnean systematics. For I can see today what Provine said in the 80s that caused this Marathon Local to belive science HAD to understand free will either statitically or deterministically. I did not and neither did the jehova's witness he, provine, ReFeRred to should teleology be linked to predestination. This is what was in the sermon I heard today.
The ongoing problem is that all of these issues IN the lineage of Jesus could be aired and put in print and discussed to the point of difference such that other things (witness vs indpendent country policy in this case) need not become an issue that only involutary placement insures against (as also happend in my/this case)if public schools and private colleges acutally discussed and did not medicate religous over the top as it did not marxist under the radar. It may indeed have been Mendel's intent to include free will but I DOUBT it for THAT idea only arises if one includes humans under selective mating and this MENDEL did not have human for what was artifical with Mendel WAS the hybrid made by artifical fertilization. Saussare at least taught us not to confuse the sign with the symbol and deconstruction went to lettered lengths to keep the marks apart from a society of blinkers. I find that by the commiseration of Mendelian and Biometric differences the people doing the work in the generation between my Grandfather and myself (proVine included) took on the burden of Mendel's plus SIGN symbolizing free will. That is my story and I am sticking to the rotary charcterization I will detail for thos interested but THIS thEN gets out of the thread here about the lineage of Jesus which for me NOw becomes some talk of Biblical Creationism vs Theology and there are undoubtedly better Scientific Creationists aboard this ark than me who know more of these words than the letters I do (know). the rest I will continue under "free will" somewhere on this board.

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5055 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 78 of 82 (54503)
09-09-2003 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dave901
09-07-2003 4:57 PM


Re: Lineage of Jesus
The theological connections were made by the INTERIM pastor at the First Presby Ch of Ithaca and were not spitually connected by me. I did note that this IS the reason that Will Provine TOLD ME that Free Will was the last stragler of science to come to become (in his MIND) under dynamic control. I just dismissed the thought as being BOTH OUT of hand and out of thus my mind then but now hearing a Sermon that ostensibly linking Old and New Testment by nothing other than willing to listen to the sound of the preacher even the dynamic claim of Provine IS FALSE for the kinematics still are seperable even in the theology. Furthermore Provine's assertions the Morris documented are futher revealed
The Long War Against GOd - p110 "There are no gods and no designing forces. The frequently made assertion that modern biology and the assumptions of the Judeo-Christian tradition are fully compatible is false." because of this seperation of kinematics and some dynamics that WILL PROVIne simply made himself a false fact by trying to do the same kind of thought the Pastor, not me, made. In other words by saying both people are not saying things correctly the frequency can be increased in the tradition but I do not have the theological depth necessary to criticize the interim. It may still be found p112 that there is an "inconsistency" but NOT for the reasons that Will cites but for the reason I mentioned in the first post I made in this series as to evolutionists asserting that religion is only of survival darwininan individual value.
Further From the Creation Trilogy Greenp101- I conclude that the "conflict" does NOT go much deeper (see my posts on about.com creation and evolution. For I know with the proper training I WOULD be willing to admit this which Provine said applies to "liberal theologians, religious leaders and scientists."
and the language of Provine himself reads on that the FORCES ARE determinable thusly Purple p14 for I, BSM, still remain(p15) and I do not echo Huxley. Inherently the Cornell Adminstration acted against the law in this matter of any naturalism that applies but this fails to identify capactiy and frequency which in intensity is scientific and a RESULT of Creationism that CAN AND DOES for me contribute to at least induction of statics in science. This is for the record. Let it be known Best Brad.

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