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Author Topic:   The Time Problem With A Mythical Jesus
Chiroptera
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Message 10 of 76 (137825)
08-29-2004 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jasonb
08-27-2004 12:13 PM


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This would give us a starting time of 70 years after the death of Christ for the second generation Christians to begin preaching a mythical Jesus.
This is simply not enough time for a mythical Jesus to emerge.
The first popular UFO reports started shortly after the second world war. By the time I was a kid, in the 1970's, UFO's were a big industry -- it seemed "everyone" believed in it, and there was a huge industry pumping out supposedly non-fiction magazines, as well as fictional TV shows and movies. This occurred in about 30 years.
In a time where communications were poor, the scientific method had not yet developed, and the miracles claimed by Christians were well withing mainstream thought, I see no reason that such legends and myths could not have developed in a generation or two.

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Chiroptera
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Message 15 of 76 (137889)
08-29-2004 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Jasonb
08-29-2004 4:46 PM


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I don’t think Elvis faking his death compares to the claims made about Jesus.
Why not? Because the Jesus story is miraculous, where as the Elvis myth is not? But in the minds of people in the 1st century, miracles were very believable. Faith healers abounded. There were also accounts of people rising from the dead, so to someone living in the 1st century, the Gospel stories would not have been beyond reasonable belief.

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Chiroptera
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Message 27 of 76 (137911)
08-29-2004 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Jasonb
08-29-2004 5:07 PM


Hello, Jasonb.
First, the example about UFO's was to show how in less than 30 years a fantastical claim, in this case the earth being regularly visited by beings from another planet, can take hold of the popular imagination and even believed by many, despite the lack of verifiable evidence, despite regular debunking by scientific experts, and despite the fact that there could not have possibly been eye-witnesses. But in fact, there are eye witnesses -- people claim to have been abducted and brought aboard alien space ships. How is this any different from your claim that there were eye witnesses to Jesus? You are the one saying that there could not have been enough time before the first Gospels to be written for the Jesus legends to develop. I am merely pointint out that fantastical legends can develop in a very short amount of time.
So, seeing how quickly legends can develop, even to the point where we have "eye witnesses", how are the Jesus legends sufficiently different to preclude this? I recall that about 40 years is the accepted time between the alleged ministry of Jesus and the writing of the first narrative Gospel.
Remember that Jesus was not the only faith healer at the time -- in fact, we have actual historical records of real faith healers. In fact, we have faith healers today. Faith healers were a normal part of the cultural milieu in those days, so I don't think the authorities, even if they did want to debunk this Jesus cult, would have bothered too much to check out stories of this sort.
At any rate, when did the Jesus cult become so powerful that it needed to be thoroughly debunked? Probably long after the fact, after most of the alleged witnesses had died or been dispersed and impossible to find, and after enough time for many people to "remember" having seen Jesus in person. Before that time, it was probably considered sufficient to simply throw the heretics out of the synogogue when they showed up.

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