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Theologian63
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Message 241 of 307 (49615)
08-09-2003 1:16 PM
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08-09-2003 1:01 PM


Re: wow
" But with regard to your testimony, why did god spare you, yet thousands die needless deaths everyday (including the truely innocent, childen)? "
You're asking the wrong person. Ask God, He spared me. Maybe it was to come here and help you find the path back.
AS far as your being a saved agnostic, why did you get saved? Thessalonians predicts a falling into apostasy in the last days. Maybe you are part of THAT crowd.
Lord, bring Podo back if he/she is your child. Amen
I hope it helps.
The death of innocents is the natural result of us living in a world governed by sin. What about all the Kurdish children that Saddham killed? Is that God's fault? Why don't you hold him accountable for his atrocites? Why is God blamed for all the death and sorrow in this world when man brings it on himself? Is that fair? Point the finger in the RIGHT direction.

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Theologian63
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Message 242 of 307 (49616)
08-09-2003 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Percy
08-09-2003 1:13 PM


Re: Did Joshua Stop the Sun?
Good question. Who would have recorded it? Are those records available today? Faith is not logical so we can't put our rationale upon it. If you choose not to accept it then so be it. It doesn't change it though."The fool hath said in his heart there is no God."

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Pogo
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Message 243 of 307 (49617)
08-09-2003 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 11:48 AM


JACK CHICK?!??
Hahahahaha!!!! Jack Chick, now there's a reliable source! 10,000 missing links? All of your arguments have been answered, and even if I post them here you will not believe unless "Thus saith the Lord" appears in the text.
Did the biblical god speak in King James? If not, why do some xians speak with "thees and thous"?
Jusr curious...

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Message 244 of 307 (49618)
08-09-2003 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 12:39 PM


Biblical Accuracy and the Big Bang
Hi, Theo!
Coragyps wanted to visit this in another forum, but you felt it was relevant to discuss this here as it was a supporting point. We probably shouldn't pursue this in this forum in any great detail, so here's a cursory answer:
Great point. Let's talk about that law. A body set in motion will continue in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. If a body is spinning clockwise and continues spinning in that direction and explodes all pieces from said body will ALSO spin clockwise.
This is false. The angular momentum of a spinning body is expressed as a centrifugal force outward. As soon as the constraints keeping the spinning body together are removed, such as through an explosion, then the pieces will proceed outward in a straight line, probably spinning in random directions due to the random nature of an explosion.
If the Big Bang is true, why do two of the nine planets spin the opposite way of the others?
The Big Bang is not thought to be in any direct way related to the formation of the solar system. The Big Bang took place around 13.5 billion years ago scattering matter in all directions. Our solar system is thought to have condensed from nebular gas beginning some 5 billion years ago. The cause of the retrograde spin you mention is not known in any definite way, but is suspected to be due to the planetary objects in question being captured after the solar system already formed, or to collisions.
BTW. where did all the matter in the universe come from and what caused it to compress let alone explode.
Current theory about where the matter from the Big Bang came from is very speculative at this time.
Is THIS anymore feasible than Creation?
You mean feasible from a scientific perspective? If so, at this point there is no confirming evidence of the interpretation of Genesis of evangelical Christians, and much falsifying evidence. Hence, no scientific credence can be given to this interpretation.
If this discussion becomes too much more detailed we should probably open a new thread in the Cosmology and the Big Bang forum.
--Percy

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Theologian63
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Message 245 of 307 (49619)
08-09-2003 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Pogo
08-09-2003 1:23 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
Why do you discount Chick? Are you Roman Catholic? Satanist?
"Did the biblical god speak in King James?"
Are you serious? Do you consider THAT an intelligent question? There is no such thing as "King James". It's called Elizabethan English and the Thees and Thous were put in to show the difference between the singular and plural when referring to God. "YOU" is too ambiguous. Sometimes the Trinity is being spoken of and sometimes only the Father. It's an act of respect which you seem to lack. Sarcasm is a weak argument.
You can send the 10,000 refutations to my e-mail. It's in my profile.

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John
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Message 246 of 307 (49620)
08-09-2003 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 12:17 PM


quote:
Gideon is a judge in the history of Israel.
Yes. Gideon is a figure in Jewish cultural history, somewhere between myth and fact-- much like King Arthur.
quote:
Outside of the Bible there are numerous sources that record geneologies and annuls of history. One is the Jewish historian Josephus.
Lets see... the period of the Judges was between about 1370BC and 1050BC. Josephus lived and wrote between 37 CE - circa 100 CE. He is writing 1000 years plus after the fact. Did you intend that to be a contemporary account? Got anything better?
quote:
What if I say I don't believe Christopher Columbus ever existed? Does that nullify his achievements? That's 500 years ago.
You've completely skipped over the fact that Columbus is a historically verifiable figure. There are innumerable documents which refer to him and countless lines of reasoning which can be used to verify his life and acts. Not so with most of the characters in the Bible. Yes, it he did live 500 years ago. We have evidence. We have evidence supporting the existence of particular individuals dating much deeper into the past than that. Not so for most of the figures in the Bible.
Which acheivements of Gideon can be verified? What do have for his existence other than his presense in Jewish cultural history? All cultures have mythical and quasi-mythical characters written into the cultural history. One's presence in that history does not prove actual existence. There is Romulus and Remus, the mythological founders of Rome. Does this prove they existed? Does this prove they existed AND were raised by wolves? Nope. We need more than that to prove historical existence. How about Gilgamesh? Real king? He must be real because some people talked about him. Silly argument, yes?
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You probably believe the universe is 4.2 billion years old (give or take a million)but where is that corroborated?
Let me count the ways...
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Message 247 of 307 (49621)
08-09-2003 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 12:48 PM


Theologian,
OOHH! BIG argument.
You mean to tell me yours was a bigger, better supported argument? It wasn't, perhaps you should critically examine your own writings before criticising others. The point of what I wrote was to show that neither argument was a good argument. You seemed to get the message, in a roundabout kind of way.
If God didn't make the sun , where did it come from?
It came from a 2nd/3rd generation nova. Wherever astronomers look, energy-gravity=0. Hence it appears that the matter/energy of the universe is borrowed against the universes gravity. A bit like having a bank account with nothing in it, then borrowing XX, you now have two sides to the ledger, the negative amount you borrowed, & the positive amount you owe, they are exactly equal, but separate entities.
The cause of the event that caused the split was a chance random event, much like the events that cause matter to appear spontaneously out of energy.
Much is speculated, but it doesn't violate any knowledge we already have, & indeed, is consistent with it. It is therefore plausible. Now, you tell me how you can critically examine & test your God theory & show it to be evidentially better than my scenario. I will expect your counter to be logically valid, of course.
Mark
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Theologian63
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Message 248 of 307 (49623)
08-09-2003 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Percy
08-09-2003 1:29 PM


Re: Biblical Accuracy and the Big Bang
"...at this point there is no confirming evidence of the interpretation of Genesis of evangelical Christians, and much falsifying evidence." I concur with the former. We accept by faith.
Please share the falsifying evidence since it goes to contradictions in the Bible.
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Message 249 of 307 (49624)
08-09-2003 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 1:32 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
Hi, Theo!
This thread is for Biblical contradictions. Is Jack Chick another supporting point? I'm not sure I see the relevance of Darwin's death bed recantation or Jack Chick's credibiilty to Biblical contradictions.
To all:
This thread is experiencing a lot of drive-by postings onto off-topic issues, and there's more heat than light. Please try to bring some focus and continuity to this thread.
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--Percy
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John
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Message 250 of 307 (49625)
08-09-2003 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 12:52 PM


quote:
If it's just fairy tales, why waste time here talking about it?
It is one of the few books of fairy tales which effect my life. If people were passing laws based on Aesop's Fables I'd be fighting about it as well. But people don't make laws based on Aesop's. All those talking animals, witches and magic kinda give it away. I'm not sure why the talking animals, witches and magic in the Bible don't give it away as well.
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John
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Message 251 of 307 (49626)
08-09-2003 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 1:00 PM


Re: Hmmm.....
quote:
My source is God's word.
I have a source too-- the Rig Veda. It is god's word and it is older than your book too. So there! It is not opinion either. It is easy to make assertions. Why should I take yours over any other?
quote:
see my avitar
Yes, that is twisted. You should read de Sade. He has a bit a crucifiction fetish also.
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John
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Message 252 of 307 (49627)
08-09-2003 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 1:21 PM


Re: Did Joshua Stop the Sun?
quote:
If you choose not to accept it then so be it. It doesn't change it though.
No. It does not change what actually happened. The point is to find out what actually happened. Merely stating what you believe is pointless.
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Theologian63
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Message 253 of 307 (49628)
08-09-2003 1:48 PM
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08-09-2003 1:34 PM


"Much is speculated, but it doesn't violate any knowledge we already have, & indeed, is consistent with it"
Of coiurse it's specualted. There is NO proof. Science requires observation. Who observed the phenomenon? It doesn't violate it because it is circular reasoning. The theory creates the sun and the sun creates the theory. In my case the SON creates the sun. "all things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made."
"You mean to tell me yours was a bigger, better supported argument? It wasn't, perhaps you should critically examine your own writings before criticising others."
My argument was backed up by a source, your was just your opinion. I think THAT is critical analysis.

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Theologian63
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Message 254 of 307 (49629)
08-09-2003 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Admin
08-09-2003 1:39 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
Admin,
Sorry. There is no light outside of God. This will go on forever because niether side is willing to admit defeat. What do we do from here? Eliminate the discussion?
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Theologian63
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Message 255 of 307 (49630)
08-09-2003 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by John
08-09-2003 1:39 PM


"It is one of the few books of fairy tales which effect my life"
Good point. So the law makers must hold the Bible as a valid source of morality and standards. BTW, in what dies ut affect your life? I thought it was full of contradictions?

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