Adam was created on the 3rd day

(Special Note: This is a long topic. If you read no further, please see reply by Humble Pie Message 210. Very well drawn out and thoroughly explained.)Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,The second part of this verse begins with "in the day". Notice the heavens and earth have been made, but there is no mention of all the host of them. This is talking about a particular day in which both the heavens and the earth have been completed.Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.There was no plants yet (for there was no rain) and no man. Basicly all there was was the sold ground.Gen 2:6-7 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.After the rain, the first thing God did was create flesh man (of the earth). This was before any plants were created.Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.Here we have the first vegetation on the earth, planted in the garden of Eden. Next the man is placed in the Garden.God makes Adam on the 3rd day, followed by the vegetation. God places him in the garden. Then God makes fish and animals on the 5th and 6th day. God brings them to Adam so he could name them. Then God makes man into the image of God.There are no contradictions between Genesis 1 and 2. When put together, they complement one another... each filling in the details of the other.Creation order:1. Heavens, including sun, moon and stars.
2. Earth, the separation of the land and seas.
3. Hydrologic cycle begins, rain.
4. Flesh man created from the ground(in God's likeness).
5. Garden planted, vegetation. shelter for man.
6. Clouds break up, sun, moon and stars appear. time and direction for man.
7. Sea creatures and birds created.
8. Land animals created.
9. All the animals brought to Adam for naming.
10. Man made male and female, Eve created. Man made in the image of God. (note: there is a difference between image and likeness)
11. God rests, have you entered His rest? (There is no closing of day 7)Edited by graft2vine, : Added special note

Hi Buzz,No I won't be skipping out on this thread. Thanks!

Hi Buz,

Chapter two is entirely compatable with chapter one. Chapter one itemizes the work of each day. Chapter two condenses some of the work of these days and hones in on the events relative to man. The purpose of chapter two is not to address the days perse.

I agree, each account gives more details that the other does not. The focus of chapter one is the days, and in chapter two the focus is the creation of man. But the creation of man should not contradict the order of events in Genesis one. Namely the implication that man was created first, then the plants and the animals.

Hi Arach,We have "in the day" establishing a time period that is described in what follows. The day is defined by that description. This can be lined up with what was happening on the third day. I agree, it does not have to refer to a literal 24 hour day, but just establishing a particular point in time.

um, maybe i'll address the rest of your post later. but this is certainly a new one.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts! Yes, as far as I know this is unique... I have never heard it from any man.

yes there is. genesis 2:3.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.There is no closing as in, "And the evening and the morning were the seventh day."

Hi Purpledawn,By stating such, the inverse of what I said, are you saying that the Garden of Eden story takes precedence over Genesis 1? Please clarify. If that is the case, one would be the accurate account and the other in error.I don't believe that the case, one does not take presedence over the other, but they complement one another and add details.I am short on time at the moment, but will later give reason why man is not mentioned on day 3 in Genesis 1 account.

Genesis 1 and 2 are of the same order. One fills in the gaps of the other. What Genesis 1 does is establish the order of when the creation of things were completed... often through the use of "it was good". Adam was formed on the third day, but his creation was not complete... he was an unfinished vessel.Jer 18:4-6 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.The first vessel was destroyed, the second vessel was good. The second vessel is the one created on the 6th day. There is both the first and second creation of Adam.1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.1Cr 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.The first Adam was made in the likeness of God, the second Adam was made in the image of God.Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.Jesus IS the image of God!So what is the difference between the likeness and the image?You likeness is for example the person standing next to you. The are human, they have arms and legs like you... you can compare yourself to them... you can both do the same things. Your image is the person standing in the mirror. Your image has all the features of your likeness except for one. When you raise your arm your image raises his arm, whereas your likeness can raise his arm but does not have to. Your likeness has his own will! Your image does not!Jhn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.Have you yet been made in the image of God, or are you still in his likeness?Another (concerning Adam not being mentioned) is with the Heavens. The heavens created on the first day included the sun and the moon and the stars, but they are not mentioned until the 4th day. Only the light was good on the first day. The entire purpose of the sun, moon and stars was not fulfilled until the fourth day (for signs and seasons) in ADDITION to giving light on the earth and separating between day and night.On day 1 only the light is mentioned, and on day 3 only the earth was mentioned. But both the Sun (the source of the light) and Man (made from the earth) were there on those days.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."after our likeness" or as is our likeness. This is saying, Let us make man in the image of God, after the likeness. Man has already been made in the likeness first, let us make man in the image second (or after) the likeness (which has already been established).If God was creating in both image and likeness on the 6th day, then the word "and" should have been used, not "as" or "after".

A likeness is not just a painting or photograph.like·ness
n.
1. The state, quality, or fact of being like; resemblance.
2. An imitative appearance; a semblance.
3. A pictorial, graphic, or sculptured representation of something; an image.A likeness could be a resemblance. Your child could be your likeness. An image can also be a likeness, but is much more of an exact likeness. The word meanings get blurred which is why I used the mirror example.im·age
n.
1. A reproduction of the form of a person or object, especially a sculptured likeness.
2. Physics. An optically formed duplicate, counterpart, or other representative reproduction of an object, especially an optical reproduction formed by a lens or mirror.
3. One that closely or exactly resembles another; a double: He is the image of his uncle.A reproduction, duplicate, exact resemblance. An image is more exact than a likeness. I am using the physics definition.Edited by graft2vine, : No reason given.

Here are the Strong's definitions:image
6754 tselem tseh'-lem from an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:--image, vain shew.The root word means "to shade". That makes me think of a shadow. Your shadow does the same thing as you, just as your mirror image.likeness
1823 dmuwth dem-ooth' from 1819; resemblance; concretely, model, shape; adverbially, like:--fashion, like (-ness, as), manner, similitude.

Ringo,If those words meant the same thing, there wouldn't be two different words. It would be redundant.

For authors intent, see message 19.

Hi Ringo,

Have you never heard of redundancy in literature? Authors often use different words with different shades of meaning to describe a concept that neither word covers completely.

I am no expert in literature, but from what I understand, redundancy doesn't work. I think what you are talking about is being descriptive, not redundant. It is redundant only if the words mean the exact same thing. Example:"I go to work at 7:30AM in the morning."This is redundant because "AM" and "morning" mean the same thing. This doesn't fly in good literature. If image and likeness mean the same thing, it would be redundant.

All you have shown is that the words can be interpreted differently to give the implication that you want. You have not shown that that was the authors' intention.

I am glad that I have at least shown that my interpretation is a possibility. It would be very hard pressing to try and prove the authors intention on one verse alone. We must look at the whole of scripture. A start I believe would be to go back and examine further what I have shared in message 13.

To All,I am going to drop my redundancy argument. It was an attempt by myself to prove my view as the only correct one, and it doesn't fly. I apologize for that... it goes against my original intention.What I am presenting is theory, and very new at that! My intention here is to share this theory for everyone to consider. I cannot prove it to you whether it is true beyond a shadow of doubt, only God can do that. The Spirit of truth shall teach you all things!It is not my intent to try and prove it, and my failure to do so does not somehow disprove it. I ask only that you consider it and search the scriptures. If you have something that you believe disproves what I'm sharing, then lets proceed with that.

Hi Ringo,My boat is floating so far. You have already acknowledge that my distinction between image and likeness is a possibility. Let's proceed. Do you have to type in the dbcodes manually? I can't find any icons for quotes or any other type of formatting, so I have just been using another program with HTML.Thanks for the welcome, it is nice meeting you!

Purpledawn, Not a whole lot in Genesis 2, but a few things.1. He had no knowledge of good and evil.
2. He was all alone.
3. He was naked and unashamed.Does this sound like a complete, fulfilled life? Not only that but later on he saw sin and death. No one is a complete vessel without Christ!Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Can you show how the author of Genesis 1 followed the Garden of Eden story?