Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9163 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 916,404 Year: 3,661/9,624 Month: 532/974 Week: 145/276 Day: 19/23 Hour: 2/3


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Adam was created on the 3rd day
Reserve
Junior Member (Idle past 6200 days)
Posts: 26
Joined: 03-29-2007


Message 113 of 233 (397887)
04-28-2007 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by graft2vine
07-28-2006 7:28 PM


Adam was created on the 6th Day
Hello graft2vine, I did not read all 112 messages, but I just want to address your logic when you place man before plants were made.
First, the detailed creation account of what happened on each day is found in Genesis 1. This is a literal way of looking when reading Genesis in context.
quote:
23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. ... 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”...Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
In Genesis 1 it is VERY obvious God created man on the 6th day. And Gen 1 is definitely the written account of all created events whereas Gen 2 and other chapters focus more on what happened on the 6th day
Genesis 2 is written to describe what happened on the 6th day and focusses on man, which is the focus of God's creation.
God created plants and herbs, in the form of seeds on the third day (from genesis 1),
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Here, if you take this into context with Genesis 1, we see that before every plant was in the earth means that before each grown plant had the roots in the earth... but wait, here comes the next statement..
quote:
and every herb of the field before it grew:
Here God describes the herbs (or seeds) before they grew, but God created them on the 3rd day. They are in the ground, but there was no man and there was no water to make them grow into the earth
After the rain, the first thing God did was create flesh man (of the earth). This was before any plants were created
As mentioned before, the rain was there to help seeds grow, not to water the ground where no seeds or plants are. Seeds were there before God watered the earth, and before God created man.
You, graft2ine, by saying man was created on the 3rd day FULLY disagrees with Genesis 1.
When put together, they complement one another... each filling in the details of the other.
Yes, Gen 1 and 2 compliment one another, but saying man was created on the 3rd day does not compliment Gen 1 nor is it written in Gen 2. I still do not understand why you chose the 3rd day, why not the 2nd or the 1st. Because why would God create man on a earth that is barren? Makes no sense, until you see that God placed man in the garden of Eden. Did God create man on the third day and then let him stand there until God created the garden of Eden, and just move Adam like a senseless pawn? No, God created man and placed him in the garden of Eden, for when God created man God created a fully human capable of thinknig etc... it would seem absurd to create him before anything else was created.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by graft2vine, posted 07-28-2006 7:28 PM graft2vine has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 116 by ringo, posted 04-28-2007 11:17 AM Reserve has not replied

  
Reserve
Junior Member (Idle past 6200 days)
Posts: 26
Joined: 03-29-2007


Message 114 of 233 (397889)
04-28-2007 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by graft2vine
04-25-2007 9:53 PM


The last Adam created before everything
Read John 1
quote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
The Word is with God and was God, this is the Christ, and everything was made because of Him. But His creation was before the earth and the heavens (stars and space). Before the creation account. So Christ is not described as a creation account. For Christ was always there. "He was in the beginning with God"
So to talk about Christ as a creation means He is not God. But He is.
For to say Christ has a beginning, then He no longer is eternal, and no longer God. But merely man, or some other form of creation.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 106 by graft2vine, posted 04-25-2007 9:53 PM graft2vine has not replied

  
Reserve
Junior Member (Idle past 6200 days)
Posts: 26
Joined: 03-29-2007


Message 115 of 233 (397890)
04-28-2007 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by arachnophilia
07-29-2006 1:43 AM


'yom' as a literal day in Genesis.
If you guys do not think 'yom' means a literal day in Genesis 1, then have a read through this
Geoscience Research Institute | I think we need more research on that...
It fully discusses the history and context of the interpretations of Genesis 1.
Here is a piece from this paper:
quote:
Let us present the facts of the usage of the term ym, "day," in Genesis 1 as any scholar who knows Hebrew can describe them:
The term ym is always used in the singular.
The term ym is always joined to a numeral. In Genesis 1:5 it is a cardinal and elsewhere in Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 it is always an ordinal. We will pay attention to this below.
The term ym is never combined with a preposition, genitive combination, construct state, compound construction, or the like. It always appears as a plain noun.
The term ym is consistently defined by a temporal phrase in the preceding sentence, "and there was evening and there was morning." This clause serves in a defining function for the word "day."
The complementary creation account of Genesis 2:4-25 contains a non-literal, figurative meaning of the singular of the term ym, "day." When the non-literal meaning is intended the semantic-syntactical conventions known from the remainder of the Old Testament for such a meaning are employed. This is the case in the non-literal usage in Genesis 2:4.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by arachnophilia, posted 07-29-2006 1:43 AM arachnophilia has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 118 by arachnophilia, posted 04-29-2007 7:07 PM Reserve has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024