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Topic: Earthquakes And End Time Biblical Prophecy
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 256 of 301 (174898)
01-07-2005 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 252 by riVeRraT
01-07-2005 8:51 PM
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Re: This is dum.
I want to research this more, but do you think that Jesus saves only those who believe? Or did he save all of us whether we believe or not. Well, we've been over this and I pretty much covered my position in Message 1 but the short answer is I think everyone is saved whether they believe or not.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 257 of 301 (174899)
01-07-2005 9:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 235 by nator
01-07-2005 6:51 PM
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I have no idea if god stopped the wave where he was. However, if he did, then why didn't he stop the whole wave from killing the 140,000 people?
I do not know the answers to that one. But for me in my life, as I said it is based on my faith. That guy not only believed it would happen, he knew it would happen, because Jesus promised us. There are things in life, that I have truely given to God, and he has taken care of them, that includes physical things. Other times in my life, I ask God for things, and wait and see what happens, thats not the kind of faith God is looking for. so I don't recieve what it is I ask. I also couldn't expect much from him, if I wasn't following his ways as best I could, I wouldn't be deserving. There's a big difference between " I command you to stop wave, in the name of Jesus" and "Oh God please don't let me die" The second quote is a wait and see what happens statement. I know for you it sounds crazy, and I cannot judge what happened to each individual over there, but this is what happens in my life. Some call it mustard seed faith. Please, this is in no way trying to explain what happened over there. It is beyond what I know. I only know that God cursed the earth from our original sin, and these things are a part of earth.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 258 of 301 (174901)
01-07-2005 9:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by DrJones*
01-07-2005 9:03 PM
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Re: This is dum.
Start another topic, I will answer those questions for you.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 259 of 301 (174902)
01-07-2005 9:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 246 by Buzsaw
01-07-2005 8:10 PM
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Re: Surviving tribe
I did a little thinking about it, and I realized something. They probably are closer to God than most of us, and could actually see/hear the coming doom. The rest of the world is so caught up in its ways, they couldn't see it coming. Even with modern monitering equipment, They didn't say anything because of political reasons. One girl did know, she had just learned about tsunami in school, and saw the water receed, and told everyone that a tsunami was coming. She saved 100 peoples lives that day, just from her knowledge.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 260 of 301 (174906)
01-07-2005 9:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 259 by riVeRraT
01-07-2005 9:32 PM
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Re: Surviving tribe
What a load of old jism. make up your mind - could we sense it with modern equipment or not? Did we sense it? Did knowledge of god or science save that little girl. Maybe a tribe who lived by the sea figured that......
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Christian7
Member (Idle past 276 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: 01-19-2004
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Message 261 of 301 (174908)
01-07-2005 9:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 260 by CK
01-07-2005 9:39 PM
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Subtitle is dum.
John 3:16 states:
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For god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten sone, that who soever, believith in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
So only those who believe can be saved. Seccondly, both christians and sinners alike die from this, sometimes god does chose to spare us though. Of course, all the pre-tribualtion christians will be raptured before the tribualtion begins and all the post-tribulation christians will be spared. Well, some of them. I think. The bible is percise in what is has to say. So shut up about it. It's just weird, when I think about reality and how so many people are decived by evolution and false religions. It's just weired. I was doughting once, but then I watched a drunk guy on tv and started thinking about how the world acts, and then I was like "Yep, he is real. And christianity is correct." And another, I am not sick, I am explaining the turth. If I was sick, I would not be wasting my time here trying to help you. I would be laughing like this "HAHAHAHA YOUR GOING TO HELL AND GETTING BURNED UP!!! AHAHAHA LOLOLOLOLOL" but I have great sympathy for you so I don't. And, you know, has such a disaster hit us before. Only recently in recorded history are we having these huge crazynesses. Crackatoa, tsunami, etc. Loads of em. And there increasing. Plus scientists believe a comet is heading towards the earth. It is a FACT that a metorite or astroid or some kind of large rock is orbiting the earth. If we don't use it's resources, then according to SCIENCE, it will crash and devistate the earth just like world war III would. This message has been edited by Guidosoft, 01-07-2005 21:50 AM
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Try reading the Bible.
Your quote of John 3:16 is an example of so many people that only select part of the Bible and thus miss all of the significance. The oft quoted John 3:16 is just one such example. If you go ahead and read the rest of John 3 you find that Jesus elaborates on what is meant.
17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20: For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21: But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. So it comes down to how you behave, what you do. If you do what should be done, if you love others as you love yourself, then whether you speak out and profess a belief, you are living the belief. Again "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. "
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Christian7
Member (Idle past 276 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: 01-19-2004
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Message 263 of 301 (174914)
01-07-2005 10:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 262 by jar
01-07-2005 10:00 PM
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Re: Try reading the Bible.
Ephesians 2:8
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For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of god. Not of works lest anyman should boast.
Now, you go find another verse to contradict this one. You can't. John 3:17 does not even contradict it. You is misinterpeting. Here is another. Romans 10:10
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That if you confess with your mouth that jesus christ is lord and believe in you heart that god raised him from the dead, then you are saved.
And some more versus, i will look up the reference later, I don't remember:
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By the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in his sight
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For the wages of sin is death
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For ALL have SINNED and come SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD
Oh, and look at this one. EH? EH?
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John 3:21
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be
made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
In other words, when you are saved, you do good works because your saved. Well, actually, you would have to see the other versus you showed for that to be clear. This message has been edited by Guidosoft, 01-07-2005 22:21 AM
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Try reading the Bible.
Of course I can. One of the greatest things about the Bible is that you can find verses to support ANY belief. That is why it can only be used as a Map. And a Map is not the territory. Check Mathew 25:31-46
31: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37: Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38: When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39: Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. In addition, if you continue reading Ephesians 2 you will find in the very next line...
10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. The Bible is great. Using it you can prove anything you want. But Jesus message was simple, Love GOD and love others as you love yourself. GOD will welcome all, believer and non-believer when the end-time does come. The recent earthquake has nothing to do with theology or prophecy, it was an Earthquake caused tsunami. That's all. A tragedy of great magnitude made worse because the US among other wealth nations did not spend the tiny amount that would be needed to build a world-wide tsunami warning system. What is worse is that we are facing an even bigger tsunami with even greater loss of life when La Palma in the Canaryies collapses. And regardless of what is in the Bible, La Palma will collapse. Now that is a better prophecy than any in the Bible. All it lacks is an accurate time. But with science, we will soon even be able to make a better estimate of the time.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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berberry
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Message 265 of 301 (174936)
01-08-2005 2:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 238 by riVeRraT
01-07-2005 7:20 PM
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Re: Interesting
riVeRraT writes me:
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I try to see things from both sides as much as I can.
Which is something you wouldn't bother to do a few months ago, as I recall. This is why I've mentioned that I'm seeing a different side of you, one I like much more than the one I've seen before. At the risk of sounding cheesy, I'm going to suggest that you get hold of an old hit record from the 70s and listen to it closely. It's by Judy Collins and it's called Both Sides Now. It talks about precisely what you're talking about but from the perspective of someone a bit older. I think there's something in there that might move you. If you don't have any other way of acquiring it email me your address and I'll buy a copy and send it to you.
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Our rewards and punishments, and trials come here on earth too.
That's a bit tricky for me. I think that if God rewards us in any way here on earth it must be with peace of mind. Nothing else makes sense. He certainly doesn't reward anyone with money or material possessions; there are too many cold-blooded, unrepentant sinners among the rich and too many hard-working, pure-hearted souls among the poor for that to be the case.
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I am still learning.
I believe you. Learning is one of the things that makes life fun. Rejoice in it.
Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry
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Message 266 of 301 (174957)
01-08-2005 4:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 259 by riVeRraT
01-07-2005 9:32 PM
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Re: Surviving tribe
riVeRraT writes:
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The rest of the world is so caught up in its ways, they couldn't see it coming. Even with modern monitering equipment,
You do realize that scientists did see it coming, don't you? This is well documented. You're next statement implies that you know it, but I take issue:
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They didn't say anything because of political reasons.
Perhaps if we say 'geopolitical' we might be more accurate. Would you agree, or do you see it as purely political? And by 'they' I assume you mean 'scientists'?
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One girl did know, she had just learned about tsunami in school, and saw the water receed, and told everyone that a tsunami was coming. She saved 100 peoples lives that day, just from her knowledge.
I know that your faith in God is important to you and I don't want to challenge it, but I'm glad to see that you're putting some faith in knowledge too. EDIT: On second thought, in that last paragraph I should have said "but I'm glad to see you're relying on knowledge". One doesn't really have faith in knowledge, does one? I mean, I don't have faith that I'm staring at a color monitor, I know I'm staring at a color monitor. That is the essential difference in faith and knowledge, so the point I should have made is that you should always be aware of this difference and understand the limitations of each. This message has been edited by berberry, 01-08-2005 03:45 AM
Keep America Safe AND Free!
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 267 of 301 (174983)
01-08-2005 8:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 254 by Buzsaw
01-07-2005 9:00 PM
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Re: This is dum.
No my topic is about Wrath, and why we don't recieve it anymore, which is right on topic.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 268 of 301 (174985)
01-08-2005 8:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 260 by CK
01-07-2005 9:39 PM
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Re: Surviving tribe
You, see you have a hard time understanding me. I'm not claiming I know why, or what happened to anyone over there, I'm just reporting the story. My position, is we all know why deep inside when things happen to us. I presented 3 sides of a story that has 100,000's stories.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 269 of 301 (174987)
01-08-2005 8:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 265 by berberry
01-08-2005 2:04 AM
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Re: Interesting
Which is something you wouldn't bother to do a few months ago, as I recall.
Well I always did, some topics more or less than ohers. It was the people in this forums reply, and them putting words in my mouth, plus pre-concieved notions about me, that made me seem like I was coming from one side or the other. On my first post, they claimed I was Jerry Falwell. Its just not true.
He certainly doesn't reward anyone with money or material possessions;
I feel he does, and he has for me. That doesn't mean it is the only way to get money, or does it garauntee you riches. He first has to trust you with the small things, and then you move up. Gos spoke to me very cleary about my business, and sucess, and charity. If I don't follow, or be obedient, I am in trouble.
there are too many cold-blooded, unrepentant sinners among the rich and too many hard-working, pure-hearted souls among the poor for that to be the case.
That statement is entirely judgemental. We as individuals cannot compare ourselves to the next person and try to understand why they have what they have (thats the root of why we don't know what happened over there). We can only deal with ourselves. God promises us blessings. As a matter a fact, thats one of the only ways to test him.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 270 of 301 (174988)
01-08-2005 8:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 266 by berberry
01-08-2005 4:18 AM
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Re: Surviving tribe
Perhaps if we say 'geopolitical' we might be more accurate. Would you agree, or do you see it as purely political? And by 'they' I assume you mean 'scientists'?
Yes I realized that they saw it coming, because they measured the earthquake. I see it as God gave us the knowledge, that increases as our population increases. We need it to survive. It also helps the population increase. So he gives us the knowledge, and we screw it up with our fleshly ways. So I blame all those deaths on man in a way.
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