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Rubten
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Message 10 of 42 (56055)
09-17-2003 2:19 PM


Was Jesus a Rabbi?
It seems to me, in my new study of this topic that Jesus being called Rabbi may mean something. In asking several Rabbi's and inquiring various written works, it seems to me that Jesus, in order to be a Rabbi, he must have gone through a Rabbinical training of some sort(essene?). In order to be considered a viable and credible Rabbi or "Master", according to my sources, Jesus had to have been married. If Jesus was married, then to whom was he married to? One more question. Was Jesus' wedding in the New Testament? I believe so. Remember the "water into wine" story? Why was his mother there? Why would she, being a guest as we assume was Jesus, command Jesus to make wine? Why then is he refered to as "bridegroom"?
Food for thought.

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Rubten
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Message 12 of 42 (56115)
09-17-2003 7:15 PM


Is that right?
King James Version (KJV)
John - Chapter 2
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Jhn 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Jhn 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
Jhn 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jhn 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Jhn 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do [it].
Jhn 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Jhn 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Jhn 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare [it].
Jhn 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
Jhn 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now.

  
Rubten
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Message 13 of 42 (56334)
09-18-2003 5:10 PM


I assume the Master of Ceremonies is the father of the bride; if tradition dictates. If Jesus was invited, as was his mother, why then would his mother worry about whether or not the wine had run out if they were just guests? At the end of the passage, the Master of Ceremonies calls Jesus the bridegroom and applaudes the fact that the good wine was given after the lesser wine had been served. Why then THANK Jesus if he is only a guest and why allude to that fact that Jesus himself is the Bridegroom?

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Rubten
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Message 15 of 42 (56361)
09-18-2003 7:22 PM


Why would Jesus be Responsible to "make wine" if it is not his wedding? Showing charity? C'mon. Opne your mind a little. it was his wedding. He was married that day! Where was the wedding anyway? When you answer that, ask yourself where Lazarus was "believed" to have risen from the grave. Then ask yourself if Lazarus was not Mary Magdalene's brother. IF that is not far along enough, then ask yourself why Mary Magdalene is treated so well by Jesus? Why are his disciples jealous of "their" relationship? Go back and read all the passages that deal with Mary Magdalene, then use some logic and sense.

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Rubten
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Message 18 of 42 (56497)
09-19-2003 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Dr Jack
09-19-2003 10:19 AM


Been married three years.
Jesus is called a Rabbi in the new testament. look it up. I have been married three years and as a matter of fact got married in Italy. (So i know a little somethintg about the need of wine!) There is no need to make personal attacks.
Jese was married. Period. Show me where it says he is not.

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Rubten
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Message 22 of 42 (56676)
09-20-2003 5:14 PM


Had Jesus not been married...
there surely would have been plenty said about this fact. If Jesus had not been married, I believe that the Pharisee's would have had something to hang their hat on. If the BIG J had been a true follower of the Torah and his parents adherants of the known beliefs/traditions wouldn't Mary and Joseph married jesus off at some point? What about the whole thing about multiplying? Did that not apply to Jesus? And yes, the church can be wrong about Jesus being married. They were wrong about the Sun revolving around the Earth for 500 years!

  
Rubten
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Message 23 of 42 (56678)
09-20-2003 5:31 PM


Is HEnot the BRIDEGROOM?
Mar 2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
Mar 2:20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
In reference to "Jese's Girl" by Rick Springfield, it is the story of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Read the lyrics.
Jessie is a friend
Yeah, I know he’s been a good friend of mine
But lately something’s changed that ain’t hard to define
Jessie’s got himself a girl and I wanna make her mine
And she’s watchin’ him with those eyes
And she’s lovin’ him with that body, I just know it
And he’s holding her in his arms late, late at night
You know I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
Where can I find a woman like that
I play along with the charade
That doesn’t seem to be a reason to change
You know I feel so dirty when they start talkin’ cute
I wanna tell her that I love her, but the point is probably moot
‘Cause she’s watchin’ him with those eyes
And she’s lovin’ him with that body, I just know it
And he’s holding her in his arms late, late at night
You know I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
Where can I find a woman like that
Like Jessie’s girl
I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
Where can I find a woman
Where can I find a woman like that
And I’m lookin’ in the mirror all the time
Wonderin’ what she don’t see in me
And I’ve been funny, I’ve been cool with the lines
Ain’t that the way love supposed to be
Tell me
Where can I find a woman like that
You know I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
I want Jessie’s girl
Where can I find a woman like that
Like Jessie’s girl
I wish that I had Jessie’s girl
I want, I want Jessie’s girl

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Rubten
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Message 25 of 42 (56733)
09-21-2003 2:10 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by phil
09-20-2003 5:44 PM


Re: Are you serious?
No, I was not serious... Please have a sense of Humor. I misspelled J's name. I was running with the joke. I can take it right along with the next guy/gal.
Why could he not be speaking of himself in that parable? Why refer to himself as a BRIDEGROOM and not something else? He deliberately chose, or someone chose I am not sure, to use the BRIDEGROOM. Why? And why align yourself with something so "obviously" not you?
Back to Mr. Springfield... Think of Jesus while you sing this song to yourself, and picture Mary as his girl...

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Rubten
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Message 26 of 42 (56734)
09-21-2003 2:13 AM


Who's wedding was it anyway?
Can someone answer that question?

  
Rubten
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Message 27 of 42 (64733)
11-06-2003 11:28 AM


Did I shut this Forum Down or what?
Closed huh? No more posts?

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