---And God, if He inspired the bible, and translations and all. It makes sense to me. The action was the creating, let's make that chap 1. Then, it is fiished, let's have God smoking a corn pipe, drinking a beer, reflecting on the things just done, and giving some juicy tidbids about how He did some things. --Rather than some mind freezing second creation confusion, complicated, Adam wasn't really the 'man' there song and dance. Come on. Give it up.
it makes TOO much sense to you, because you're not actually reading the text for what it says. i will not give anything up, because it's not me who's failing to see the obvious here. you're playing the song, and doing the dance.
it's not "juicy tidbits" over beer. it's a whole second story, and it spans
three chapters. there is an order central to it, and a logic to it, that if you remove the story no longer makes sense.
you suggested earlier that maybe the plants that god created on day three, but didn't plant until day six
were in orbit for three days. you are creating ad hoc fantasies, and trying to reinterpret one text to fit your view of another.
God is the designer of a book of books that has a sequence that does not contradict the sequence in the chapter before! This comes as a surprise to you? No wonder you spell God, god.
i spell it with a lowercase because it's not a name. and since god's name is a hebrew word, and
hebrew has only one case i doubt he minds.
No, sit back in the easy chair with a cool one reminising at leisure. If some poor soul insists on thinking God is a limp noodle that had two orders, well, heavens, some men ought to know better.
this is not "on the eighth day, god invented beer." this is serious, and i wish you'd for once try to actually give the text the respect it deserves, instead of trying to cram your ideas into it, and completely rob it of all meaning.
No, he doesn't. They can do fine for many days with no men. They might get a little unkept, but nothing man can't come along in a few weeks and fix up real good. Plants did fine for a few days without us.
that's fine. but that's not what the bible SAYS. it SAYS, there were no plants yet in the ground BECAUSE there was no man to till the soil.
KI ADAM AIN.
I just remove confusion and doubts from it. That does not disrespect God at all. The order is only in chap 1!!!! Anything in 2 is leisurely recounting of what was a done deal.
no, you are GLOSSING over a whole section of the bible, and saying that what it says does not matter. it doesn't matter that there were no plants BECAUSE there was no man. and it doesn't matter that animals were created BECAUSE adam was lonely. and it doesn't matter that none of it makes any sense in the other order -- because you're simply not paying enough attention to notice. you're just nodding along and saying "uh huh, yeah, ok. whatever. want a beer? uh huh."
I would rather know what it MEANS!
evidently not! yo're completely ignoring every level of this story. you're ignoring the literal meaning. you're ignoring the grammar. you're ignoring the contextual meaning of it. you're ignoring the cause-effect relationships. you're ignoring the logic. you're ignoring the reasoning. you're ignoring the application of the text.
no, you would not rather know what it means. you're making every effort to NOT know what it means, so you can fit it into your preconcieved idea of what the text SHOULD say, according to you, or your pastor, or your church.
It is the SPIRIT that gives life, the flesh brings death. This book is beat understood with a pinch of faith, a dash of hope, and a ton of not thinking we are the smartest man in the world.
all i see here is a ton of not thinking, period. it's not that we are smart, it's that we can read. it's not that we are the smartest, it's just that we understand grammar. it's that we shouldn't have to rely on an outside source to completely re-tell the stories in the bible so that they fit together better, and certainly not one that tells us to ignore what's there on the page.
especially not if god wrote the text -- such an idea is an insult to god, that he couldn't even write it in plain enough language that it doesn't need to be reinterpretted.
Only when viewed through the dark glass of doubting God is real and potent, and smart.
i don't doubt that god is real -- i don't doubt that he's omnipresent.
nor do i doubt that god is potent -- he's omnipotent.
nor do i doubt that he's smart -- he's omniscient.
it is the people who think they have all the answers that we should doubt. you seem to have accidently paraphrased the apostle paul:
quote:
1Cr 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
now, we know in part. now, we see god like a dim reflection in a mirror. no man has seen god face to face -- but we will. and THEN we will have all the answers. beware those who claim to have them now -- for they are liars and charlatans, and sent to mislead.
He is smart enough to have the creation order right in the first book of the bible.
but not smart enough to get it right twice? this is kind of like the story of the 20 commandments. you know that bit in exodus where moses breaks the first tablets, and god re-writes them exactly as they were? yeah, you might wanna check that too.
Perceived contradicting in other chapters is due to the misreadings of headstrong men.
pretending there are not contradictions are the product of headstrong willfully ignorant fundamentalists trying to force the bible into their own preconceptions
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