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Prozacman
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Message 22 of 286 (76393)
01-03-2004 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Yaro
12-07-2003 4:36 PM


OK, a former christian will give it a go. Remember the trinity? The early church fathers came up with this idea to help solve a number of problems. If Jesus was a seperate person within the one godhead, then christians can still worship one god while worshipping Jesus also. The Father(God) can send the Son(who is also God) to die for our sins, and as I have posted before, this to me is nothing more than child-sacrifice.
Why is it the ultimate gift as you say? Well, if Jesus is God,as the argument goes, then sin which can't be atoned for by human effort(according to protestant christian theology), can be atoned by the death of an eternal person. This all assumes the idea that sin needs to be atoned for anyway. It also assumes that God demands justice for everything he consideres sinful. Christians use a # of Bible verses to back up the idea that we humans are sinful in the sight of God, and therefor we need salvation. One verse that I used to try to convince others that God demands justice for sin was, Ephesians 2:8; "For the wages(payment) of sin is death(our spiritual death;eternity in hell), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus...". So, as the religion preaches, if one believes that Jesus died for their sins, then one gets to go to heaven. Christians call this the 'ultimate gift' because Jesus death on the cross is believed to be the ultimate act of love from God. Hope this helped.
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Prozacman
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Message 25 of 286 (78429)
01-14-2004 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Newborn
01-13-2004 10:39 PM


In so many words, you are correct with your theology, ASSUMING of course that God is the sort of god your talking about, & that sin is something that really exists, and that this God doesn't like sin, and that Adam&Eve really existed, and that their "original sin" was genetically transfered to all their decendants, and that God would commit child-sacrifice on His son, and that death is the payment for sin, and that only the Son could pay it, and that faith in the Son saves us, and that the Bible is reliable with regard to salvation or anything else. Have I left out anything? Alot of ASSUMPTIONS isn't it? But if it makes you feel secure, that's your business. Heck, that's what religion is all about.

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Prozacman
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Message 34 of 286 (78855)
01-16-2004 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Newborn
01-14-2004 2:08 PM


With all due respect, I used to advise people to read Josh McDowell's, "Evidence that demands a verdict", and that was years ago. All I can say is, "Been there, done that."

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Prozacman
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Message 35 of 286 (78857)
01-16-2004 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Angeldust
01-14-2004 10:54 PM


Re: Child Sacrifice?
"...Not as I will, but as you will", is a lesson in submission & humility, and of course he didn't have to go to the cross, but that would have messed up the Father's whole plan of salvation for humankind, wouldn't it? Therefor he realy had no choice!

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Prozacman
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Message 36 of 286 (78858)
01-16-2004 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Asgara
01-14-2004 5:14 PM


WOW! A Venus figurine from the 'stone age'! Way Cool!

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