The Whole Jesus Thing

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God's position is that you be saved from the evil of "YOUR DOINGS"

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I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works here, What makes you think that what you've done is wrong? Don't carnivors based in remote islands in the world (the point hasn't anything to do with which tribe and so-forth) have the same chance of getting into heaven as we do. Despite they're breaking one of our commandments?What I mean to say is, they believe with their entire hearts that what they are doing is right, they haven't been influcenced by our God, so is that their fault, ours or Gods? So could they still be given the same chance as us to entering heaven, since what they are doing is as right to them as killing is wrong to us.They may have not had their sins removed from the death of Jesus, but when did they ever commit a sin within their citizity?Just a thought really.

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If you cant prove just one side, then why not try proving both?

I think you might want to rethink what you just said, and read mine a little more, but I can see your point.

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They kill to survive - they don't know what right and wrong is ... lion to read and write.

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Animals know the difference between right and wrong, but it's different kind. They know if they eat this, or go near this creature they'll die. If they do something wrong they die, simple and striaght forward as that.However my point wasn't made towards animals, but humans, hence why I gave the tribe example. Let me give you another example you might get to grips with, Al-Queda. Simple and direct to the point; they believe they are dieing for their God, and to kill others will lead them into heaven.What makes them different from us, we're both human, we both feel the same, the only difference is our brain patterns. But what makes us go to heaven and not them? They believe what they are doing is absolutely right, (forget brain-washing, that wouldn't apply here) just like we believe what we are doing is correct to us.

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Even serial killers no right and wrong, and that they've done wrong. Are you saying they've done right?

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Some serial killers can't come to terms with what they've done is wrong, and never will do. I'm not saying what they've done is right, but instead what they've done is right to them, and if God was to judge on your motives and not the concequences then they have equal chance of entering eternal paradise as we do.What I'm trying to say is, what's the difference between you, and a AI-Queda member? Both of you believe what you are doing is absolutely right, regardless of the actions you are both preforming. To him you could be preforming sin everyday, but to you, you're living in accordance with God's wishes.Opinion, it's why we're here and have so many conflicts with the world.

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If you cant prove just one side, then why not try proving both?

Yeah I guess I am waving. Had the intention of being on topic, it's just the method I think of things. Terribly sorry about that. I suppose I am still on the general subject though since I started thinking about heaven, who could enter and the definition of a sin.But how can anyone know the difference of right and wrong? It's something that is taught to a infant. Should you teach him stealing is right, and encourage him to steal from others. He won't learn it's wrong, and will carry on doing so for the rest of his life, because you taught him that was right. What I mean to say is, what's the difference between right and wrong?I can understand some of their reasonings, but I cannot condule any of their actions, for those are evil in my eyes.Btw, Satan isn't a God, but a fallen angel if you follow mythology. This message has been edited by Harrism, 10-16-2004 04:29 PM

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If you cant prove just one side, then why not try proving both?

You're hearing me perfectly. and the only way I can reply is with a well played.

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If you cant prove just one side, then why not try proving both?