The Whole Jesus Thing

I wont expect you to understand everything I say but here is my take on the subject. The real gift here is the way salvation is now obtained. Before the sacrifice, the only way you could get into heaven was following very very strict guidelines and rules which by the way many people coudnt follow(holliness is no piece of cake). Before the scrifice the only way for obtaining forgiveness of sins was through the secrifice of certain animals (if this applied today, the animal rights groups would have us go to jail. Asking god for forgiveness would be a crime). We now have the gift of being able to ask for forgiveness without killing animals and we can go directly into God's presence with a little humility and an honest heart. And now salvation is obtained by maintaning a personal relationship with God where forgiveness is the center of salvation not perfection like in the old testament days. He was God trapped in a man's body. So the answer is yes. Basically he took the punishment that we deserved if we were living in the old testament days so that he could ease the way to him like we now have. He didnt. The romans did that. .I dont know what apease means (english is not my first language). His sacrifice delivers a messege of perseverance. He demostrated with his sacrifice that beating the desires of our flesh is possible. He showed us that it is possible to kill ourselves (desire to do what is wrong). His sacrifice is a model of what the christian lifestlye is supossed to be. Jesus didnt want to be crucified. He asked the father to release him from his duty but he sacrificed himself to do what was right. Thats the example we should follow. We have to sacrifice our desires to do what is incorrect in order to do what is right. Jesus also never sinned. he lived the old testament lifestyle which was impossible to almost everybody to perfection but his experience as a man made him see how difficult it is for us to resist temptation and that is why forgiveness is now the center of salvation. Because he will never go over man's right to decide what man really wants. God wants you to accept him out of free will and to live by his standards by your own free will without making you be anything. This is one of the most stupid things ive ever heard. I dont blame you for getting upset or confussed over this nonsense.

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Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova

Yeah something like that In the old testament days there were different types of sacrifices in which animals or crops were used. The two that were most common was the sacrifice done for thanksgiving and the sacrifice done for forgiveness. A thanksgiving sacrifice was done taking the best part of your crops and burning them as an offering to God and a way of saying thank you for a very productive harvest season. The forgiveness sacrifice usually was done when a person sinned and an animal(particularly a lamb) was used. Why the lamb? Sheep were a very good investment in the old testament days and probably one of the most important type of herds at the time. The sheep provided very good meat and clothing was made from their coat without having to kill them(they shaved the hairs off. they grow back quickly). The more sheep you had the richer you were. And most importantly a lamb is a very meek animal and it was clean. Just the way the jews were supposed to be. So why the lamb? 1) it meant sacrificing money. Sacrificing a sheep those days is the equivalent of paying 100 dollars or more worth of parking tickets 2)It was clean animal. Since you wanted to be cleansed of your sins it was not convenient sacrificing a dirty,smelly pig. Yes he did die for all of us but now we must accept the sacrifice. How do we do it? By changing they way we live. If you punched me and i forgave you will you punch me again? If you do you are not acepting my forgiveness. If we keeep living a sinful life knowing the sacrifice God did for us, then we are surely not honoring his sacrifice and we tell him indirectly i dont give a crap about your forgiveness or your love.He turned into a man because he wanted a front row seat of what man experiences everyday and how does it feel to be trapped in a mortal suit. It was the only way he could really understand our battles and what we go through everyday. If he did that we wouldnt have an example of sacrifice and his forgiveness will be worth nothing to mankind. You give no value to what you obtain easily. You value what gives you work. I hope that applied when I go to the bathroom. Just snap your fingers and wipe away ass. Now thats easy. NO I think you dont get it. If you get in the way with ehough time for the truck driver to see you he will avoid you because he can make a desicion and the bullet cannot decide wherre it wants to go. The Romans could of have chosen not to kill Jesus but they CHOSED
to do it.Gonna get to the secoond part of your messege later.

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Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova

Sacrifice implies giving not loosing. I sacrificed my coat when I gave it to a friend in the movies because she was cold and so was I but I gave up my comfort for hers. I lost my coat when I went to the movies cause I left it in the seat. See the difference. He was not the one who sinned he didnt have to leave his place in heaven and come down here and experience all that we experience (and succeed in doing so)but he gave everything up for us. And as I said before his sacrifice is a symbol of what the christian lifestyle should be. Sacrificing the desires that harm us and doing what you have to do to make good and healthy desicions for ourselves. The purpose of his resurection was to let the world know that death cannot defeat God. Nothing mortal can escape death but he became one of us abd did it. Ill go with option C) You dont understand. Haven't you ever been on a rollercoaster. You know youre gonna be okay but you still get scared in the process. Remember that Jesus was God trapped in a mans body. He knew that he was gonna be okay but he couldn't help getting frightend or stop thinking about how horrible the pain was gonna be. So yes, Jesus is God and yes he was talking to himself if you see it that way. God is like a company. Theres the president the vicepresident and the secretary. The Father-president Jesus-vicepresident Holy Spirit-secretary each of them are individuals but come together to form the company. Oh and the angels are the workers. NO, without the accept jesus we all go to hell. Yes the purpose of sacrifice was to wash it all away but you have to accept the sacrifice by living a life guided in jesus christ. If you live a life where you dont give a crap about what God thinks then youre indirectly saying I dont want your sacrifice. When you join a club like a fraternity for example you have to act by their rules if not youll be kicked out. If you want to be a citizen of your country youll have to obey the law or get punished. Everything works like this.On a personal note I like your eyes a lot

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Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova

I see where youre going with this. Youre basically saying that youre not responsible for adam and eves desicion. You are right. You are not responsible for his desicion but you still feel its effects. Let's suppose you're a miserable alcoholic. You go out every night and get drunk. You come home and for some stupid thing you give your kid a horrible beating almost every time you get drunk. Your kid is not responsible for your desicion of getting drunk but he pays for it every time you come home. We are not responsible for adam and eves mistakes but still we pay for it by inheritng sin and death. We just have to go to DR. Jesus and find a cure for our inherited spiritual diseases. Well nobody is stopping you. You know your soul is eternal and what better way of finding out if what im saying is true.

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Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova

Thats my way of saying I put everthing in your hands and I dont care what anybody thinks. I could of have said it prettier but slang sometimes works better.

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Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova

This is a good point. God apparently started getting tired of the sacrifices not because he changed but because the people were doing sacrifices hypocritly. The purpose of the sacrifice was to recognize your sin, ask for forgiveness, and never do it again. The sacrifices were becoming something like asking for forgiveness but since i have seven lambs left I can sin seven times. That is what happens in the catholic church a lot. People are like I can sin whenever I want and all I have to do is go to priest and ask for forgiveness and I'm done. It's asking for forgiveness without being really sorry about what you did. Got apparently got sick of the acting jobs and wanted people to demonstrate that they were believers because of their actions more than anything else including the offering of sacrifices. Don't get me wrong sacrifices were always important only if they were done the right way - with an honest hart, humility, and real repentance.

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Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova