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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Before you try again, I suggest you first learn what a model is and as suggested, study the How can "Creationism" be supported?.
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First learn what a model is, then try again.
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First learn what a model is, then try again.
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
tell me, by what "faith" does science acknoledge whether or not anything it is studying is "real"? There is no faith involved. There are three basic assumption and you can study them in Message 5. It also discusses why those three basic assumptions are needed. However, even those assumptions are not without support. Over many centuries, repeated observations have show that those three assumptions are valid. Therefore the conclusion, not faith, is that we can work within those three assumptions. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you understand the term assumption?
The assumptions are:
(1) that there is an objective reality (2) that evidence tells the truth about that objective reality (3) that we can understand objective reality by understanding the evidence The objective reality is the universe we inhabit. We make the assumption that the universe exists. That may well be wrong. It might not exist, but if that is the case then anything at all is possible and we can say nothing about anything. However there are strong indication that the universe does exist. Many observations over a long period have confirmed that the universe exists and so we can have a fairly high degree of confidence that is the case. Second, predictions made based on that assumption have been verified time after time. This adds additional weight to the potential validity of the assumption. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The assumption we work with says that "Yes, I exist."
However that could also be wrong. The point is that if I make the initial assumption that objective reality doesn't exist, then anything is possible. It is possible I am not sitting here. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
if reality is definite, then it cannot come from something that is not there. Why? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is not an answer. Please explain "if reality is definite, then it cannot come from something that is not there."
Hint, there are a bunch of terms in there you will have to support. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
because order cannot come from chaos and exist. Why? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is not an answer.
You said:
because order cannot come from chaos and exist. The question is "Why?" Explain this and this and this. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
order cannot come from chaos and exist without direction. Why? None of the things I showed you were directed. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well frankly, you can get order from Chaos and despite what you might believe, it is a fact.
So your first problem is you need to come to grips with that. Start with a decade or so of studying Chaos Theory. However that is still not an answer to something coming from nothing. You need to address why that is impossible as well as the other possibilities such as something may have existed forever. By the way, links work fine for me. BUT... you have still not presented a model or even shown you know what a model is. The topic, in case you missed it, is "Creationist model". Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No ordered form can exist on top of chaos without direction. (remember direction.) Stop posting things that you have been show are false. See Message 104. We are over two thirds of the way through this thread and you still have not presented a model and you are repeating falsehoods. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but that is simply nonsense and yet more falsehoods. Fractals are not directed by man.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
yes jar, without a man a fractal would never be seen. Snowflake? Conch Shell? Waves? Mountains? Clouds? Nautilus? Ferns?
Broccoli? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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