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Author Topic:   51 scientific facts that disprove the Bible
Peg
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Message 8 of 167 (496405)
01-28-2009 4:56 AM


i've searched for info on the 'list' and couldnt find anything
i've never heard of it

Peg
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Message 65 of 167 (498203)
02-09-2009 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Rrhain
02-09-2009 12:00 AM


Rrhain writes:
1) The universe is not less than 6000 years old. Yes, the Bible does say this.
No, the bible does not say that. The hebrew word for used can signify an unspecified length of time and this fact has been well established. No does the bible say the earth is 6,000 years old.
Rrhain writes:
3) Female humans were not created from male humans. While hyper-advanced genetic engineering could conceivably do such a thing, that isn't what happened with respect to humans.
Scientifically it is possible, its called cloning.
Rrhain writes:
1) 14) Leprosy cannot be cured via blood sacrifice of birds and lambs.
the person who quoted that scripture was shown to have taken it out of context. The sprinkling of the blood was a purification ceremony of a person who was already cured of the disease.
Rrhain writes:
1)17) Eagles do not carry their young on their backs.
silly argument because a lot of these verses in the bible are figurative... but eagles have been observed to swoop beneath their chicks when they are learning to fly...they swoop beneath them to help keep them in the air.
Rrhain writes:
1)11) The whole earth was not all one language 4500 years ago.
how is this scientifically proven??? Language experts have traced all languages today back to a common source, they call it proto european. They have demonstrated how all languages today can be related to another and another and another.
Rrhain writes:
1) 26) The earth moves.
Yes it does. It spins on its axis.
Gen1:4'After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness' 5And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.
Job26:10'He has described a circle upon the face of the waters,
To where light ends in darkness'
Light ends in darkness due to the rotation of the earth, therefore the bible does not say it is motionless.
Rrhain writes:
1)29) The moon does not have its own light.
from an earthly position, the moon does give off light. It is the reflection of the sun as we know, and when it shines in the night sky it does light the earth.
Rrhain writes:
1)30) Stars cannot fall from the sky.
32) Dragons.
33) Satyrs.
once again the bible uses figurative language and these things are not to taken literally. Satan the devil is called 'the great dragon' because he's destructive.
Satyrs was a goat shaped demon worshiped in pagan religions. Of course it was not real, but the worship of such creatures was real and the bible mentions them in terms of outlawing the worship of false gods.
Rrhain writes:
1)31) Unicorns.
There was a bit of confusion over the Hebrew word but modern scholars have eliminated much confusion over the word re’em”. Lexicographers Ludwig Koehler and Walter Baumgartner show that it means “wild oxen,” with the scientific identification Bos primigenius. The New Encyclopædia Britannica explains:
Certain poetical passages of the Old Testament refer to a strong and splendid horned animal called re’em”. This word is translated ”unicorn’ or ”rhinoceros’ in many versions, but many modern translations prefer ”wild ox’or aurochs, which is the correct meaning of the Hebrew re’em”.”
Rrhain writes:
1) 35) Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar nor was he any other kind of relation to him.
36) Belshazzar was not the king of anything.
Archeological evidence would say otherwise.
In 1924 a publication was made of the decipherment of an ancient cuneiform text described as the 'Verse Account of Nabonidus' that shed light on Belshazzar’s kingly position at Babylon and explaining the manner of his becoming coregent with Nabonidus.
You will find the information in 'Ancient Near Eastern Texts, by J.Pritchard, 1974, p. 313
Belshazzar definitely exercised royal authority from Nabonidus’ third year on, and this event likely corresponds with Daniel’s reference to “the first year of Belshazzar the king of Babylon.”
Rrhain writes:
1)37) Darius the Median did not exist (being a fictional character) and thus could not be the successor of Belshazzar.
The numerous cases where individuals or events recorded in the Bible, once rejected as ”unhistorical’ by critics, have eventually been demonstrated beyond denial to be historical . There was a time when Belshazzar was considered fictional until they found his palace...then there was Pontius Pilate who was thought to be fictional becuase there was no mention of him outside the bible, then they found his name inscribed on stone.

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Peg
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Message 67 of 167 (498213)
02-09-2009 3:17 AM
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02-09-2009 2:54 AM


'Origins, An Atlas of Human Migration' Page 31. Edited by Russell King
'There also must once have been a mother tongue that is the ancestor of languages as divers as Urdu and Serbo-Croatian, Welsh and Italian. There are no written records of such a language, but linguists have designated it Proto-Indo-European, or PIE for short.... At some point all Indo-Europeans spoke the same language, and at some later point various groups must have spread across Europe in one of the great undocumented migrations of prehistory...
Linguists estimate that about 6,000 years ago, the Indo-Europeans were still a coherent group - they had not yet begun to migrate. This means that they belong to the Neolithic Age.'
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 75 of 167 (498239)
02-09-2009 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by PaulK
02-09-2009 3:23 AM


i gave you a quote directly out of the book i also quoted.

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Peg
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Message 76 of 167 (498240)
02-09-2009 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by anglagard
02-09-2009 3:36 AM


Re: Ouch!
i dont have a problem with them saying it was around 6,000 years ago
what is important is that they are saying all languages can be traced back to an original language.

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Peg
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Message 77 of 167 (498242)
02-09-2009 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by anglagard
02-09-2009 4:07 AM


i have no issue with that in the slightest
there are different schools of thought in all diciplines...the truth is likely to be somewhere in the middle

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Peg
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Message 80 of 167 (498257)
02-09-2009 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by PaulK
02-09-2009 5:47 AM


Pg 28.
The Common Tongue.
There is no recorded history - that is, no written text - that goes back more then 5,000 years, which is a mere blink of the eye in the timescale of human existence...
pg31. 'the languages of Europe and northern India can be arranged in a kind of family tree that goes back to a single Proto-Indo-European predecessor...'At some point, ALL indo europeans spoke the same language and at some later point various groups must have spread across Europe in one of the great undocumented migrations of prehistory'
they have a timeline of the evolution of language... it begins at 4,000BCE with 'Speakers of the Proto-Indo-European are living someewhere in the Black Sea region'
3,000BCE - 'the westward migration of the Indo European people begins
2,000BCE - A separate Indo-European group moves south thru Persia and into the Indian subcontinent'
from here on various other types of languages appear in various places.
perhaps it would be better if you find the book and read it yourself...i could be reading it all wrong but it seems to me to be saying that all language originated with the PIE and spread out from there.

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Peg
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Message 82 of 167 (498259)
02-09-2009 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by PaulK
02-09-2009 6:34 AM


the timeline they've charted begins at 4,000 bce with Proto-Indo-European and extends from there
i dont know,
i didnt write the book, im just reading it.

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