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Granny Magda
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Message 31 of 167 (496630)
01-29-2009 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Brian
01-29-2009 1:38 PM


Twenty Facts and Counting...
Okay, I’ll see your ten and raise you ten...
11) There was no time when all animals were vegetarian (Gen 1:30). {Edited. Thank you Moose.}
12) Not all animals fear humans (Gen 9:2)
13) The Sun does not and cannot stand still.
14) We think with our brains, not with our hearts or kidneys.
15) The Earth does not sit upon pillars.
16) Hares do not chew the cud. Neither do rabbits and neither do hyraxes. {Edited}
17) Bats are not birds.
18) The Earth is not stable nor immobile (1 Chron 16:30).
19) No-one hatches cockatrice eggs. No-one does anything with cockatrice eggs. There’s no such thing as cockatrice eggs. (Isaiah 59:5, honestly).
20) No matter how much you believe in Jesus, deadly poison is still deadly (Mark 16:17).
Mutate and Survive.
Edited by Granny Magda, : Changed title.
Edited by Granny Magda, : Added ten more and changed title again.
Edited by Granny Magda, : Ninja'd by bluescat48!
Edited by Granny Magda, : Changed whales/hares entries after objections.

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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bluescat48
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Message 32 of 167 (496631)
01-29-2009 2:59 PM
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01-29-2009 2:22 PM


Re: Twenty Facts and Counting...
Next 10:
21) the chemical structure of the dust of the earth & that of man are not the same.
22) language families predate the tower of Babel
23) The great Pyramid predates the alleged flood
24) The moon is not a "light"
25) Joshua couldn't have stopped the sun for the sun doesn't move relative to the earth.
26) If Eve was made from Adam's rib, she would have been male "Y" Chromosomes
27) Changing Lot's wife into a pillar of salt would have needed mass transmutation of elements, The energy which would have vaporized Lot & his 2 daughters.
28) 40 years of wandering in Sinai would have left some physical evidence of which there is none.
29) Jonah would have suffocated being the stomach of a fish for 3 days.
30) serpents don't eat dust.
Edited by bluescat48, : sp
Edited by bluescat48, : correct list

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Modulous
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Message 33 of 167 (496632)
01-29-2009 3:04 PM
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01-29-2009 2:59 PM


Re: Twenty Facts and Counting...
Are we up to 30?
31) The higher you go, the thinner things get until there is only vacuum. There is no firmament capable of holding back the primeval waters, nor has there ever been.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Granny Magda
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Message 34 of 167 (496637)
01-29-2009 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by bluescat48
01-29-2009 2:59 PM


Forty Facts and Counting...
And still more...
32) Giants. Nuff said.
33) Unicorns. A bit thin on the ground these days. {Edited. Thanks Bluejay.}
34) No matter how high a mountian you climb, you still won't see the whole Earth (Luke 4:5).
35) Eagles do not carry their young on their wings (Deut 32:11).
36) Figs are not a cure for deadly illness (2Kings 20).
37) Frost; not the breath of God (Job 37:10).
38) Ostriches are not poor parents as the Bible implies. (Job 39). {Edited. Thanks Coragyps.}
39) “Dumbness” is not caused by demons or devils.
40) “Is any sick among you?” Well don’t treat them with prayer. It’s rubbish at healing people.
Mutate and Survive
Edited by Granny Magda, : Factored in Mod's.
Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.
Edited by Granny Magda, : Edited some entries after objections.

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Blue Jay
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Message 35 of 167 (496644)
01-29-2009 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Granny Magda
01-29-2009 3:15 PM


Thirty-Nine Facts and Counting...
Hi, Granny Magda.
GM writes:
33) Four-legged fowls? I’m afraid not (Lev 11:20).
It only says "fowls" in the KJV. Newer versions corrected it to "insects" (whether or not the correction is linguistically justified, I can't tell you). But, interestingly, they didn't correct the part about four legs: that's still in there, which means, either God can't count, or somebody involved in writing and/or transmitting the Bible is stupid.
I totally ninja'd you for that one, anyway: it's #8.
Might I suggest this in its place:
32) God apparently didn't make fungus, slime molds or bacteria, or doesn't know how to distinguish them from plants and animals?

-Bluejay/Mantis/Thylacosmilus
Darwin loves you.

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Granny Magda
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Message 36 of 167 (496649)
01-29-2009 4:59 PM
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01-29-2009 4:20 PM


Re: Thirty-Nine Facts and Counting...
I stand corrected. It's a shame; imagine a roast chicken where everybody gets a leg.
Your suggestion is a good one though. As a keen mushroom forager, I find the omission of fungi as annoying as you must find the idea of four-legged insects.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Message 37 of 167 (496663)
01-29-2009 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Modulous
01-27-2009 10:04 AM


Modulous writes:
The spirit of the claim is no doubt true: science does not have dogma and changes its views as evidence roles in whereas the Bible doesn't change - only its interpretation by its readers. Is the claim itself actually true? What are these facts? If it is true, does it support the strong claim that the Bible is eternally TRUE whereas as science is only temporally 'true'?
It appears that you've so soon forgotten that relative to the Exodus and the wilderness sojourn of the Israelites, creationist science research has falsified the alleged traditional Mt Sinai on the Sinai Peninsula because new evidence shows that the actual Mt Sinai is in Saudi Arabia.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 38 of 167 (496666)
01-29-2009 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by bluescat48
01-29-2009 2:59 PM


Re: Twenty Facts and Counting...
bluescat writes:
Next 10:
21) the chemical structure of the dust of the earth & that of man are not the same.
22) language families predate the tower of Babel
23) The great Pyramid predates the alleged flood
24) The moon is not a "light"
25) Joshua couldn't have stopped the sun for the sun doesn't move relative to the earth.
26) If Eve was made from Adam's rib, she would have been male "Y" Chromosomes
27) Changing Lot's wife into a pillar of salt would have needed mass transmutation of elements, The energy which would have vaporized Lot & his 2 daughters.
28) 40 years of wandering in Sinai would have left some physical evidence of which there is none.
29) Jonah would have suffocated being the stomach of a fish for 3 days.
30) serpents don't eat dust.
21: If dead men return to dust, why couldn't omniscient ID create a man from dust?
22: Your evidence is?
24: Reflected light is nevertheless, light. Go outside and note how lighted the planet is by the freflected light from the moon. Without the moon it would be dark.
25: Even today the nations refer to the sun rise and the sun set. Like the ancients, we all know what that means. Don't exact upon them what we don't exact upon ourselves for the sake of argument.
26.
Nonsense.

27: Not a problem for the omniscient ID creator of the first man.
28: What would you expect to find? Petrified manna and dung?
29: Not if Jehovah had prepared the sea animal for the passenger/visitor/guest.
30: Serpents caught away from their hole in a dust storm or blowing dirt/sand eat more dust than a long legged creature which they were likely to have been before the curse which rendered them belly crawlers. The closer to the ground, the more dust you are likely to ingest.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 39 of 167 (496669)
01-29-2009 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Granny Magda
01-29-2009 3:15 PM


Re: Forty Facts and Counting...
Re #38 - ostrich daddies do all the child care. Mommies don't get involved.

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Granny Magda
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Message 40 of 167 (496671)
01-29-2009 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Coragyps
01-29-2009 9:40 PM


Re: Forty Facts and Counting...
Hi Coragyps,
That's a fair point. On reading up a bit more though, I note that the ostrich does not "warmeth her eggs in the ground", both parents incubate them. I will do some editing tomorrow and get that one up to scratch. For now, it's way past bedtime.
I still think the Bible is a bit hard on the ostrich though. Where do they expect it to nest, up a tree? And why does it do these silly things?
Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
A bit rich then, to blame the poor ostrich for God's shortcomings.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Message 41 of 167 (496672)
01-29-2009 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Brian
01-29-2009 1:38 PM


Re: List at Ten facts
Gday,
Peg writes:
Pi does not equal 3.
Oh come now Brian -
Pi DOES equal 3.
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To one significant figure :-)
Kapyong

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Message 42 of 167 (496677)
01-29-2009 10:52 PM
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01-29-2009 8:46 PM


Re: Twenty Facts and Counting...
22) language families predate the tower of Babel
22: Your evidence is?
Both linguistics and archaeology.
And your evidence to the contrary is?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 43 of 167 (496681)
01-29-2009 11:02 PM
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01-29-2009 8:46 PM


Re: Twenty Facts and Counting...
Hope you and bluescat don't mind me butting in but this is just too much fun.
Buzsaw writes:
21: If dead men return to dust, why couldn't omniscient ID create a man from dust?
That would mean the ID just changed the definition of dust. What is commonly referred to as dust does not have near the calcium and phosphate that 'dusty old bones' contain.
22: Your evidence is?
The Egyptian, Sumerian, and likely Chinese writing systems by both conventional dating and their own chronology predate any currently invisible traces of any purported Tower of Babel according to generally accepted Biblical chronology. It would be quite a stretch IMO to maintain that the three radically different writing systems all represented the same spoken language as this has never been observed in history or in the present.
23. Oops skipped an important one. (also predates any purported global flood).
24: Reflected light is nevertheless, light. Go outside and note how lighted the planet is by the freflected light from the moon. Without the moon it would be dark.
Venus has also been bright enough to cast a shadow. Guess it depends upon one's definition of 'great light.'
25: Even today the nations refer to the sun rise and the sun set. Like the ancients, we all know what that means. Don't exact upon them what we don't exact upon ourselves for the sake of argument.
Joshua refers to stopping the rotation of the earth, not sunrise or sunset.
Nonsense.
The link you provide also shows that screwing with the genetic code in such a manner renders the progeny sterile, hardly an auspicious beginning for populating the earth.
27: Not a problem for the omniscient ID creator of the first man.
Well, nothing is a problem with magic except that if magic is how everything is done, doesn't that make science evil. (not a problem for some around here except when they drive, eat, live in heated homes, turn on a light switch, etc. unless of course they are irredeamable hypocrites.)
28: What would you expect to find? Petrified manna and dung?
Actually considering the purported millions in the Exodus, there would be a shitload of petrified dung.
29: Not if Jehovah had prepared the sea animal for the passenger/visitor/guest.
Back to magic. You want magic to replace science in science class?
30: Serpents caught away from their hole in a dust storm or blowing dirt/sand eat more dust than a long legged creature which they were likely to have been before the curse which rendered them belly crawlers. The closer to the ground, the more dust you are likely to ingest.
Evidently you have never been in a dust storm. In a real dust storm everything eats dust, the bigger the nostrils, the more the dust.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Message 44 of 167 (496682)
01-29-2009 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Taz
01-28-2009 12:00 PM


Re: Our own list?
Taz writes:
There ain't no corners of the Earth.
Folks today refer to corners on the commodity market. What are their directions? What do they look like? Are they 90% geometrically? Must the term corner always be understood in angular dimensions? When folks refer to the ends or far ends of the earth, where does the earth end?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 45 of 167 (496684)
01-29-2009 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Granny Magda
01-29-2009 4:59 PM


Re: Thirty-Nine Facts and Counting...
Hi Granny,
Granny Magda writes:
I stand corrected. It's a shame; imagine a roast chicken where everybody gets a leg.
You can stand corrected one more time I hope.
You can find your 4 legged chicken Here.
You can find a four legged duck Here
Stumpy is from the UK.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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