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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The first thing an ascending new pharoah did was to erase the past and anything negative: etchings on pyramids were removed and replaced with the new Pharoah being agrandised. Like so many things you have posted, that is a really stupid assertion. First, we happen to know about some cases where names were removed because doing so leaves evidence. When you carve something out, it leaves a hole. When you erase one cartouche and replace it with another, it changes the depth of the cartouche related to those surrounding it as well as changing style and aging. It is also a really stupid attempt to rebut the issue of why there are no records of Hebrew's in Egypt or of some event similar to what is described in the Exodus Myth. It would require that some earlier Pharaoh recorded the story and then some later Pharaoh erased it. First, stop and think. One thing the Egyptian Pharaohs DID do is record their ascendancy. If there was any truth to the Exodus Myth, we should see a NEW Pharaoh ascending to the throne recorded. Unfortunately for the Exodus really happened crowd, that evidence just taint there. So far there has NEVER been found any of the needed support that the Exodus ever happened. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry but absolutely nothing in your post has anything to do with your earlier stupid assertion that some new Pharaoh erased the recorded inscriptions of Hebrews in Egypt. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact that at the supposed time of the Exodus no new Pharaoh came to the throne in Egypt.
The descriptions in the book of Exodus contains too many authentic, historical details, and too many dates and names - to be classified as myth so strongly. Another really stupid assertion. Huck Finn contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. From the Earth to the Moon contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. A Tale of Two Cities contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. The Legend of Sleepy Hollow contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. Eaters of the Dead: The Manuscript of Ibn Fadlan Relating His Experiences with the Northmen in A.D. 922 contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. Mother of Kings contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. A Canticle for Leibowitz contains many dates and names and authentic historical details. However, it is totally fiction. Having authentic names and places mentioned in a story does not mean the story is not just fiction. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Obviously, you have to read again, calmy and as you would about retroviruses, and put aside your continueing paranioa. I gave you three examples - a scholar advocating egypt's writings are bloated, and that this occured with other nations with Egypt. Which has NOTHING to do with your earlier stupid assertion that some new Pharaoh erased the recorded inscriptions of Hebrews in Egypt. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact that at the supposed time of the Exodus no new Pharaoh came to the throne in Egypt.
There are also evidences that new pharoahs erased inscriptions. Correct, as I pointed out. And such things leave evidence that changes were made. Sorry, that simply weakens your already non-existent case. There are no such insciptions where anyone has found references to some little jerkwater nation like Israel at the time the Exodus supposedly happened or that there were even any Hebrews in Egypt at the time either. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Progress! You did'nt use the 'myth' word this time. Which has nothing to do with the fact that it is myth, and actually a fantasy tale. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why would any scribe record that which Egypt wanted to forget? The absence of recording, logically, fully supports the Biblical account. The absence of recording, logically, fully supports the Biblical account only for those who are ignorant, delusional or dishonest. The facts are that if anything like the Biblical Exodus happened there would be many external evidences as has been pointed out to you many times before. A few examples: At the time the Exodus supposedly happened, Egypt was but one of the super powers in the area. There were other super powers both to the North and South of Egypt, as well as the rising powers around the Mediterranean. Had there been been a Pharaoh killed unexpectedly, these other powers would have taken notice and acted. In addition, there would be internal evidence as the new Pharaoh set about establishing his reign. Further, it would have been necessary to replace the men, horses, supplies, chariots, weapons and other materials lost. Such a major project would leave traces as the basic infrastructure and economy ramped up for the effort.
Show me any Egyptian record that records a defeat? But I am not relying on Egyptian records. The fact is even those who were in opposition to Egypt never noticed and in addition, those positive indicators like replacement of lost materials, the needed infrastructure and the economic disruption aren't there. Those are not dependent on some imaginary scribe.
BTW: Jar claims to be a Christian, please do not mistake his anti-Bible views for an Atheist. My position is NOT anti-Bible Ray, it is against those who pervert the Bible. My objection is when folk pervert the Bible to turn it into something it is not. Edited by jar, : No reason given. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Egypt was not one of, but THE superpower, equivalent with Rome. Nice assertion. Silly but still nice. Rome didn't even exist except perhaps as some small village at the time the supposed Exodus happened.
Pharoah was not killed, his army was; the OT says he lived after the battle with Moses. The oral law says Pharoah lived to a ripe age, but not as a Pharoah - he became a believer and went on to promote Judaism; so did his preist, who became Moses' father in law. The other nations did notice what occured, and Egypt was weakened greatly. The israelites had battles with many other nations before entering canaan. Babylon, then Persia emerged as the next superpower, and egypt never recovered her superpower status again. I suppose you actually have some support for any of that? AbE: It is also totally irrelevant. If, as your fantasy depicts, the Pharaoh lived on but not as a Pharaoh, it would still mean a sudden change in management in Egypt. We would see the advent of the new Pharaoh and it would correspond in time with the supposed exodus. In addition, the lost stores, soldiers, equipment, chariots, horses and supplies would still have to be replaced. Such a major and rapid ramp up would not go by without leaving a trace. Finally, there is the imagined loss of manpower when a large body of workers walked off the job. That too would show up in projects abandoned or postponed, as well as the need to recruit replacement workers. Sorry, the Biblical Exodus simply never happened as depicted in the Bible. End of AbE:
This did occur. Nor is there any doubt that Egypt was steeped in enslaving peoples from other nations, which system broke down, and an Israelite sovereign nation resulted in Canaan. Generally, aside from a few items not yet proven, the OT narratives are vindicated as a whole, with no blatant inconsistancies. Again, what does that have to do with the Exodus? Do you have any evidence that any of the things mentioned in the Biblical Exodus myth actually happened? Honestly, the OT is filled with blatant inconsistencies and the Exodus Myth is a classic example. Edited by jar, : expand the part on the effects that would be left. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
this is just a test
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry but nothing in that corroborates the Old Testament. What that does is help corroborate the existence of Darius and Cyrus, but in no way does it support the existence of Esther or that there were Hebrews in Egypt at the time the alleged Exodus happened or that there was an Exodus or some imagined Conquest of Canaan.
Darius I also lived from 549 to sometime in the late 480s BCE, or more than 1000 years after the Exodus was supposed to have happened and Cyrus the Great was only slightly earlier. Neither Darius I or Cyrus are in an way related to the question of the Exodus and even bringing them up simply shows no understanding of either history or what would be supporting evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A few basic facts, mostly for the lurkers who may be reading the thread.
The topic is: "Exodus, Merneptah stela and israelites". The goal is to see if there is any evidence that might support the Exodus actually happening. That actual people who lived 1000 years after the supposed Exodus are mentioned in the Bible can be considered evidence when combined with other sources that those two people existed. It is NOT in anyway though support that the Exodus happened. Ivanhoe mentioned King Richard. There is additional evidence that King Richard actually lived, but the novel is fiction. The problem with your evidence is that the fact that actual people are mentioned is not evidence that the story is true, that the people you mention lived 1000 years after the supposed Exodus, and that it is in no way evidence in support of the actuality of the Exodus fiction. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry but your post is simply nonsense.
But thanks for posting so the readers can see just how ridiculous your position really is. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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