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Mister Pamboli
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Message 91 of 120 (38403)
04-30-2003 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 2:16 AM


warning: apricot seed poisoning
In no way is this post a debating "reply" to booboocruise, or a comment on his post. But it is deadly serious.

If anyone is tempted to try apricot seeds, or to try them with others, please be aware of the dangers which are very real. One hundred milligrams (mg) of moist, crushed apricot seeds can produce 217 milligrams of cyanide.

Apricot seed poisoning is a serious issue in Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan, where apricots grow wild and are cultured.

You can check some information at these sites:

THE NEW YORK HOSPITAL-CORNELL MEDICAL CENTER, MEMORIAL SLOAN-KETTERING CANCER CENTER: CURRENT CONCEPTS AND PERSPECTIVES IN NUTRITION A Nutrition Information Service for the Medical Profession Vol. 6 No. 2 July 1987 http://www.getty.net/texts/herbs.txt

Genesis Health System
http://www.genesishealth.com/micromedex/detaileddisease/00061190.aspx

I repeat that this is in no way inteded as a "debating" post, but I regard it as important information for anyone who might be tempted.

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Peter
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Message 92 of 120 (38411)
04-30-2003 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by crashfrog
04-30-2003 2:55 AM


Off-topic a bit -- sorry
Just as a matter of interest (sorry admins), if you feed
your pet rats too many nuts/seeds they overload on protein
and it can have quite severe negative health effects. You
will often notice a reddy-brown discharge from the nostrils
and in some cases eyes of a poorly rat ... this is a non-specific
response to stress and can be induced by too high a protein content
in the food.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 93 of 120 (38431)
04-30-2003 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 2:16 AM


Re: off topic
quote:
Did you know that if your diet consists of at least 10 apricot SEEDS, you will NEVER get cancer?

Um... are you referring to Laetrile? (Anti-cancer drug made from apricot pits?)

I may be mistaken, but wasn't Laetrile completely shot down by the FDA because it didn't do anything to cure cancer?

quote:
So, why is cancer so much more common today than it was just a few centuries ago

Because people pump out more carbon monoxide from their cars, smoke more tobacco, and generally inhale more carcinogens in a day than our forefathers did in a year?

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Coragyps
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Message 94 of 120 (38434)
04-30-2003 11:23 AM
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04-30-2003 2:16 AM


Re: off topic
So, why is cancer so much more common today than it was just a few centuries ago

Primarily because medical science now prevents measles, tuberculosis, cholera, diptheria, abcessed teeth, polio, and the like from killing so many of us young. We now live long enough for cancer to get a shot at us. The same applies to heart disease.

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crashfrog
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Message 95 of 120 (38457)
04-30-2003 2:40 PM
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04-30-2003 6:29 AM


Re: Off-topic a bit -- sorry
Hrm, I'll mention that to my fiance. (She's thinking of getting another rat.) As I recall, there was a bit of that discharge.

The rat (Miss Monkey, it was named) did live for many years. I understand that they do not have much of a lifespan.


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booboocruise
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Message 96 of 120 (38464)
04-30-2003 4:03 PM
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04-30-2003 2:40 PM


Re: Off-topic a bit -- sorry
I am only replying to questions raised:
Yeah, as for my reference to the chicken enzymes and human enzymes being more similar than between humans and apes, I got that from Dr. Comninellis (he’s a medical research doctor). His book is entitled “Creative Defense.” I don’t exactly know what year or publisher it’s by because I lent it to an atheist friend of mine.

As for the apricot seeds; yes, they DO contain cyanide, but the cyanide won’t harm you if you keep your apricot-seed intake no more than 14 - 16 per day. Want to know why? Because the same apricot pit also contains rhodanese- -a protective enzyme that neutralizes the cyanide by converting it to a by-product that is actually beneficial to one’s health.
Also, with the billions of dollars spent on chemotherapy and radiation, more people are making a profit off of cancer than are getting it, so that is why the FDA is suppressing the use of B-17 (because they would lose money for conventional cancer research). Jesus said, “for the love of money is the root of all evil…” That is the same reason why medical students in today’s universities are being taught that B-17 doesn’t work, when in fact it DOES.

I tell the truth: B-17 IS a cancer suppressant, and works with approximately 98-99% accuracy with both treating and preventing cancer.
Booboo


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NosyNed
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Message 97 of 120 (38465)
04-30-2003 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 4:03 PM


reliability
quote:
Dr. Comninellis (he’s a medical research doctor).

It seems to me to be highly unlikely that a "medical research doctor" would get this so utterly wrong. Have you checked out to see if the "Dr." is a lie? You do understand that someone is lying to you don't you?

You're now making various medical claims. These aren't particularly on topic. They are also not supported by any posted references to reliable evidence. As noted earlier the apricot seed bit was debunked more than a decade ago. Are you being lied to here too?

Do you think these things have some relevance to the debate? If so could you clarify that?


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mark24
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Message 98 of 120 (38467)
04-30-2003 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by NosyNed
04-30-2003 4:18 PM


Re: reliability
Nosyned,

More importantly from Booboos perspective, is not so much that these things have been debunked & shown false ages ago, but that his sources still report them as fact.

If Booboo is going to take anything from EvC, it should be that creationist publications/websites are purveyors of deliberate falsehoods.

Mark

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 99 of 120 (38468)
04-30-2003 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 4:03 PM


Re: Off-topic a bit -- sorry
quote:
As for the apricot seeds; yes, they DO contain cyanide, but the cyanide won’t harm you if you keep your apricot-seed intake no more than 14 - 16 per day.
As you know, I wasn't making a debating point. I am, however, well aware that some people can take some of these supplements with a lack of discrimination and care. That was the basis for the warning.

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Coragyps
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Message 100 of 120 (38469)
04-30-2003 4:32 PM
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04-30-2003 4:03 PM


Re: Off-topic a bit -- sorry
a protective enzyme that neutralizes the cyanide by converting it to a by-product that is actually beneficial to one’s health.

What by-product would that be? Cyanate? Cyanogen? Carbon dioxide and ammonia? How is it beneficial? Please tell us; inquiring minds want to know.


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AdminPamboli
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Message 101 of 120 (38470)
04-30-2003 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by mark24
04-30-2003 4:23 PM


Re: reliability
quote:
If Booboo is going to take anything from EvC, it should be that creationist publications/websites are purveyors of deliberate falsehoods.
It is quite as unfair to label "creationist publications/websites" in general as it would be to label pro-evolution promulgations general.

Please be careful of damning generalizations in future.


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booboocruise
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Message 102 of 120 (38496)
04-30-2003 11:41 PM
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04-30-2003 4:33 PM


Re: reliability
Ned:

No offense, but I wouldn't trust your "science" at all. First of all, where exactly did you get that Dr. Comninellis is lying? I've read his biography and have a list of his colleagues: his 'Dr.' is legitimate. Also, I'd like to see where you seem to have all the answers from (because your arguments are much more bias than even some of the other evolutionists).

Also, like I said, the FDA's claim that apricot seeds are dangerous is just a coverup to get people to believe that they need to pay thousands of dollars for cancer treatment.

Try again.


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Coragyps
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Message 103 of 120 (38497)
04-30-2003 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 11:41 PM


Re: reliability
Also, like I said, the FDA's claim that apricot seeds are dangerous is just a coverup to get people to believe that they need to pay thousands of dollars for cancer treatment.

Yeah, and Elvis Presley, though past retirement age, is Undersecretary for Coverups of Stuff to kill More Citizens. That is a lunatic statement, booboo - are you a Black Helicopter fan, too?

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NosyNed
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Message 104 of 120 (38505)
05-01-2003 1:04 AM
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04-30-2003 11:41 PM


Re: reliability
We haven't yet determined if Dr. Comninellis is lying or not.

First we have to determine if he's wrong or not. Exactly what proteins are you talking about? I think the claim was they were more similar in chikens and humans than chimps and humans, is that correct?

Is this for all analogous proteins? One out of 1,000's? A few? Which ones exactly. Where are your references - that need to specifiy the exact sequences for the compared proteins so we can see how different they are.

Now this part should be easy, shouldn't it? We are just looking at the basic facts here. Let's get that out of the way.

Editted to add:

See the next post, it's making it easy for you.

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wj
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Message 105 of 120 (38506)
05-01-2003 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 2:16 AM


Re: off topic
Boobootroll, before you go any further with your red herring about apricot seeds which you threw in at message #87, how about responding substantively and logically to my message #76? You know, give the creationist scientist's explanation for the observed pattern of GLO pseudogenes in mammals. Try continuing in the Booboocruises Dissolvable Best Evidence thread.

And you can present your creationist scientist evidence for the relative similarities of human, chimpanzee and chicken lysozymes at For Booboocruise - digestive systems thread.

you are going to back up your assertions, aren't you? Or has someone borrowed your source book?


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