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Author Topic:   Bible Question: What was the First Sin?
purpledawn
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Message 135 of 312 (391472)
03-25-2007 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Mikael Fivel
03-23-2007 5:13 PM


Obey or Reason
It seems Adam didn't quite pass on the message word for word.
Genesis 3:3 (Eve Speaking)
...but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.' "
Genesis 2:17 (God Speaking)
...but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."
But since sin is going against God's commands, I agree that the first sin was Eve eating the apple.
In Message 12 the originator presents:
The first sin was when Eve lied to the serpent. God had said nothing about touching the tree, so she lied.
But I contend that God had not commanded them not to lie or make a rule stricter (Like putting a fence around the Torah), plus as I said earlier Adam may have added the Do Not Touch portion when he passed on the command. We really don't know.
Going strictly by the text, Eve's nibble was first.

Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?

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purpledawn
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Message 152 of 312 (391660)
03-26-2007 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Phat
03-26-2007 4:02 PM


No Sin Without Command
quote:
And to think that Adam and Eve were thought to be perfect before they actually ate the fruit. So in essence, the first sin was an innocent little white lie? Funny how those things can grow!
Since sin is going against God's commands, I would agree that the first sin was Eve eating the apple, but I contend that God had not commanded them not to lie or make a rule stricter (Like putting a fence around the Torah), plus as Adam may have added the Do Not Touch portion when he passed on the command, she may not have been lying. We really don't know. Message 135

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purpledawn
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Message 157 of 312 (391677)
03-26-2007 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by ringo
03-26-2007 6:36 PM


Re: The First Sin
quote:
Can/did God sin? If we take purpledawn's definition of sin as "going against God's commands", what if God goes against His own commands? He commanded us not to lie, so if He lied, did He sin?
The old "do as I say and not as I do" type of parenting.
I think the ruling against lying deals with more serious matters, as opposed to exaggerating the consequences.
In the story, I don't think God lied, but I also don't see that Eve was decieved. The snake spoke the truth in this story.
The only command given in the story was not to eat from the middle tree.

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purpledawn
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Message 159 of 312 (391683)
03-26-2007 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by ringo
03-26-2007 7:25 PM


Re: The First Sin
quote:
So if you tell your grandson, "You'll die if you eat that cookie," that's not a lie?
Keeps him from eating all my cookies!
Many parents engage in deception (lying) to manipulate their children. I guess we learned from the master.
Some tell their children not to eat in the living room, but the parents eat in living room. The rules are for the children, not the parents. As children mature, then they learn which type of lying is wrong and which kind is harmless.
Many parents make threats of punishment and don't follow through. I guess God didn't think he would have to follow through.
By strict definition it would be a lie, but whether that is the type of lie God decreed against later in the Bible is subject for another thread.

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