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Author Topic:   Bible Question: What was the First Sin?
anastasia
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Message 192 of 312 (408768)
07-04-2007 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by pelican
07-03-2007 7:55 PM


Re: Re Sin
dameeva writes:
The moral of my story is that had I known my sins were no more than mistakes that we learn and grow from, I could have and would have been so much happier, and now it is too late.
The concept of sin is that it is not a mistake. It is a purposefully chosen action which we ALREADY believe is wrong. It is similar to purposefully putting wrong answers on a math problem.

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anastasia
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Message 193 of 312 (408771)
07-04-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by IamJoseph
07-02-2007 2:01 AM


Catechism of the Catholic Church writes:
Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
Contrary to the claims of the now-departed author of the thread, Eve's lying, and ANY miscommunication in the GOE, was NOT sin.
Sin requires knowledge that there IS a sin. Before eating of the tree, there was no knowledge of Good or Evil.
Oh, and of course, I am not too much of a literalist, but if anyone wants to discuss this 'first sin' there is at least one good reason not to get too sure of oneself.

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anastasia
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Message 199 of 312 (409218)
07-08-2007 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Phat
07-07-2007 12:20 PM


Re: Symbolic Beliefs and the Reality of God
Phat writes:
God exists. We choose our destiny and reconciliation through either acceptance (willful subordination) and/or behavior.
Isn't part of acceptance willfull subordination to God?
The real question is whether the willful obeying of God's law, whether or not we know they are from God, denotes a subconscious acceptance.
If God is reality and truth, Phat, and someone guides their behaviour based on reality and truth, did they accept God? Do we have to say 'I accept God' before we can judge our actions according to reason?

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anastasia
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Message 274 of 312 (421215)
09-11-2007 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by arachnophilia
09-10-2007 8:14 PM


Re: the fundamental question
arach writes:
why is knowledge, or an informed opinion, necessary to follow orders? why does the decision have to be meaningful in order for it to count?
I have to disagree here with Ringo also. It is not sinful to follow orders blindly, and it is an excusable position. Following orders gets you off the hook in monasteries and armies and traffic accidents at any rate.
The traditional view is that obedience to any trusted authority is commendable and excusable, a necessity of sorts since we can not all be super-knowledgable in every circumstance.

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