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Author Topic:   Bible Question: What was the First Sin?
Juraikken
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Message 163 of 312 (395252)
04-15-2007 7:51 PM


the first MAN sin was: Eve allowing the serpent to trick her. she could have denied the serpent off the bat and left the tree right then but she became tempted and couldnt refuse
the first EVER sin committed was: Lucifer in heaven having impure thoughts in his mind.
I believe that Adam and Eve were like children becuase they didnt grow up they were made as adults. They were prone to doing mistakes. and think about it, do you hate them for it? becuase im glad i am able to live in this world because NOW i can learn and grow my mind instead of being told what is what. We grow our minds by experience, Adam and Eve didnt have any experience so they didnt know right from wrong, but now they do. it was intended to be that way. but im going off topic.
she didnt committ sin when she rephrased the statement God gave, its like the telephone game, it gets changed a little but the idea hasnt changed. its like me telling you "My mom told me to clean my room because its dirty" she never said "because its dirty", its sort of implied that, now how can you EAT the fruit without touching it? impossibility! lol and i know you would say yeah they hold it, but would the serpent not tempt them more while they are there? if you dont touch it nor get near it then you wouldnt be tempted
now look here God told Adam first that he cant eat from that tree, BEFORE Eve came about, so i guess God told her again, and maybe added that extra "Dont touch" becuase he knew what she is going to do? OR Adam told her and emphasized how she shouldnt even TOUCH it. God did not lie, NOR did Eve because we dont even know that she might be reciting what someone told her

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Juraikken
Member (Idle past 6188 days)
Posts: 82
From: Winnetka, CA
Joined: 11-13-2006


Message 165 of 312 (395418)
04-16-2007 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Archer Opteryx
04-16-2007 6:11 AM


God knows what He's doing
you think that was without purpose?
and He was there, He was watching all the time
Edited by Juraikken, : No reason given.

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Juraikken
Member (Idle past 6188 days)
Posts: 82
From: Winnetka, CA
Joined: 11-13-2006


Message 168 of 312 (396200)
04-19-2007 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by jar
04-18-2007 12:39 PM


Re: Did Adam or Eve sin?
that IS a very sensitive subject to touch upon but it is true, think about it, did Adam and Eve ever GROW UP? not likely, they were created adult size, but in order to BE adults you need to grow your mind as a child until your an adult. but Adam and Eve were like children.
but when you tell a child you shouldnt do it, they still have that thought in their heads what you said, but thier childlike curiosity takes over and they do it anyway. pretty much same with Adam and Eve.
It wasnt malicious of God to do that because if they never did eat of the tree, right now you wouldnt be able to think for your own NOR would you be living a happy life, through suffering we gain knowledge and learn new things, if the Civil war, WWI, WWII, cold war, etc never happened we wouldnt have policies today to protect ourselves from large problems would we? we wouldnt learn
so God did us a favor by doing that, BUT he didnt do it, satan did it. God used satans trickery to open their eyes
1. God did not lie when he said "you will surely die", Adam and eve DID die.
2. God did not tempt them to eat of the tree, SATAN did.
3. God allowed sin to get through, not MADE sin get through becuase he was perfectly capable to stop that serpent but he didnt for a reason
4. God planted free thought into Lucifer in heaven, and Lucifer CHOSE the evil ways and that began this world, if Lucifer never had that evil thought, Adam and Eve would still be in the Garden of Eden.
So, in the beginning God planted free will into Lucifer, Lucifer chose evil, this doesnt mean God did anything bad, he gave him free will just like us.
Then, Lucifer, in his evil ways was allowed to be on earth with Adam and Eve, and Lucifer chose to trick them, God ALLOWED it to happen, 1. he knew it was going to happen, 2. he wanted it to happen to better ourselves in our lives becuase later on he says
"Now man is like one of us, knowing good and evil" thats a good thing!
so im glad that they ate of the tree
now technically thats not true that AFTERWARD they are capable of sin because God had directly told them not to do that, now do you punish your child when they disobey? or do you let them keep on disobeying? no you punish them, they did something wrong! they deserve a time out.
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