How do we know when the Gospels were written?

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I looked at both of these sites, and they seem to both be written from a skeptic's standpoint. The problem with that is that fundamentalists will not be convinced by an argument from a skeptic or atheist, especially if the end result of the argument is to reinforce the godless heathen's beliefs (or lack thereof).

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Odds are a fundamentalist isn't going to be convinced by anyone unless they are open to it and vice versa.But if the fundamentalist wants to try and convert skeptics, they need to reasonably address the questions that the skeptics present. So even though the hardcore fundamentalists may not be swayed by skeptic arguments, there are those sitting on the fence watching and deciding which way to jump.All an individual can do is weigh the evidence and go with what provides inner peace without harming others.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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We need to consider not only the mindset of the authors, whomever they were, whatever inspired them, and how the future mindsets of the councils who promoted and reinterpreted these worldviews played themselves out on the world stage.

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Still a bit fuzzy on the zeitqeist thing. I need a more practical application.So given what you have stated, do you feel any of that counters what the skeptic links provided as their evidence for the later writing of Mark?

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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the effect i see is the authors mutilating fufilled prophecies, and trying to shoe horn jesus into them to get the jews to believe he was the messiah, which from what i understand didn't work

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I think many miss that Paul's use of the scriptures were mostly homiletic.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz