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Author Topic:   Biblical Statements About Infallibility/Inerrancy (A Theology / No Science Topic)
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Message 14 of 85 (151799)
10-21-2004 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by portmaster1000
10-21-2004 8:50 PM


Re: Logic
An antholgy, for example, may contain seperate stories by different authors, but they are at least individually noted and clearly delineated. But the Bible is somewhat more complex. While it is also and anthology, the different books, stories and authors are not identified. They are also not even seperated. To make it even more fun, parts of each story are often cut a pasted into similar stories by other authors.
The OT had several redactors over the years. Unfortunately, that makes it even harder, an anthology of anthologies. They were driven by theology, politics, culture and aesthetics. And again, nowhere are the insertions, deletions or modifications noted.
The history of the New Testament is every bit as complex. There still is no one Canon. Different Churches include different books in the Bible. And even the major Canon, the Roman Canon, came about more as an accident than by design. When Constantine ordered his Bibles made, he specified that they should be beautiful and impressive, but did not specify the content.

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Message 48 of 85 (158190)
11-10-2004 9:27 PM
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11-10-2004 8:58 PM


When it was written did the 2 Timothy reference include the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, the Book of Enoch, Gospel of Peter, Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs or the Epistle of James?
Remember, when 2 Timothy was written we were still centuries from creating a list of exactly what would be in the Bible, which is something that still is not uniform.

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Message 51 of 85 (158208)
11-10-2004 10:18 PM
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11-10-2004 9:44 PM


The reason I couched my question around the time of 2 Timothy was the time line. All of the books I mentioned were in circulation before 2 Timothy. So would they likely be considered as part of the Scripture?
We tend to look at the Scriptures of Christianity through today's viewpoint. But during the first three hundred years or so, the subject of what was scripture was quite different. The Epistles were still letters. And there were Gospels all over the place.
So at the time Timothy was written, say betwen 100 and 200 AD, which of all of the new Christian works would have been considered scripture?

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Message 54 of 85 (158221)
11-10-2004 11:00 PM
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11-10-2004 10:28 PM


There is still no definitive canon. That at least has not changed.
If we look at the formative period of the Christian Church it is extremely dynamic, competitive, cut throat. It was a competition of viewpoints, politics, theology, hubris, funding, territory, authority, bigotry, credit and sex. Around the time of John there was the need to differentiate Christianity from Judaism. It's confusion and envy, hate and jealousy, love and admiration; people being leaders, people being mentors, people being councilors.
The one thing it was not, was simple.

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Message 58 of 85 (158257)
11-11-2004 1:13 AM
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11-11-2004 1:08 AM


Line up of books in the NT
Except, as I have pointed out, where they are different. For example, the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian Church excluded several of the books that are included in the Roman, Protestant and Greek Orthodox Churches.

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