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Reliable history in the Bible

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Message 5 of 300 (374142)
01-03-2007 6:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 3 by Casey Powell
01-03-2007 6:24 PM

Jame's ossuary is fake
We also have the box of James which is also an Authentic find and displays Jesus's name (James the brother of Jesus himself)
While the ossuary itself is authentic (that is, it's not a modern recreation) , the inscription indentifying it as belonging to James is fake.
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01-03-2007 10:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Casey Powell
01-03-2007 10:32 PM

Re: Jame's ossuary is fake
This means that the Yeshu brother of James (translated from Hebrew to English - Jacob means James) inscription is still accurate
No your own source, says that the "Brother of Yeshua" part is a later addition.
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The inscription is: Jacob son of Joseph brother of Joshua.
The second part of the inscription bears the hallmarks of a fraudulent later addition, probably around the 3rd or 4th centuries, and is questionable to say the least
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This is in addition to the Israel Antiquities Authority determining that the whole inscription is fake.
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01-03-2007 10:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Casey Powell
01-03-2007 10:50 PM

Re: Jame's ossuary is fake
The 2nd inscription had something to do with Alexander, the son of Simon!
The 1st inscription states: “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus,”
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In the link you provided the only inscription mentioned is the "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" one, as well no other website that I can find mentions the "alexander son of simon" on the same ossuary, please provide some evidence for this assertion
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edited to add: Here is article about the "Alexander son of Simon" ossuary, but it is not the James' ossuary.
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eta: And this is the original article on the Jame's ossuary, again no mention of an "Alexander son of Simon" inscription.
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01-03-2007 11:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by Casey Powell
01-03-2007 11:04 PM

Re: Jame's ossuary is fake
The Alexander and the James' ossuary are Two seperate ossuaries. Your own links show this.
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The ossuary (bone box) inscribed, “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus,” has become famous all over the world. There is another group of now nearly forgotten bone boxes, however, that are also very likely connected to Jesus. They very probably belonged to the family of Simon of Cyrene,
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01-03-2007 11:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 14 by Casey Powell
01-03-2007 11:10 PM

Re: Jame's ossuary is fake
Yes they are.
Then why did you try to claim that they were the same box back in message 10?
Your own link claims that the "brother of Yeshua" part of the inscription is fake (at the very least its from another time period), and the Israel Antiquities Authority claims that the whole of the inscription is fake.
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edited to add: On re-reading this thread I just noticed that Casey Poweel/Jesus Fighter edited his some of previous comments after I had already responded to him. SO if anyone is wondering why I didn't respond to some of his arguements, it's because they weren't there the first time around.
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01-03-2007 11:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 16 by Casey Powell
01-03-2007 11:17 PM

Re: Jame's ossuary is fake
Thats just a red herring to the actual issue however
The issue is "The bible is a historical document that's proven itself reliable for its historical value", you offered the Jame's ossuary as support for this. Are you now withdrawing it as support?
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01-31-2007 6:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 149 by trance-lik-state
01-31-2007 6:18 PM

the metal known as bronze or brass
Bronze and brass are two different alloys. Bronze is primarily composed of copper and tin, while brass is composed of copper and zinc.
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