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Author Topic:   Is the bible the word of God or men?
Rahvin
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Message 224 of 309 (444643)
12-30-2007 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 4:37 AM


Re: the bible/torah
... all the OT laws, w/o exception, are active today - and no other religion or philosiphy was able to give the world a single law not contained therein. This renders the OT unique.
IaJ, this is the second time you've made this false statement. Since it's off-topic for this thread, I'd like to direct you here. This statement is either woefully ignorant, a deliberate lie, or demonstrative of a horrendously flawed ethical system. I await your reply in the other thread.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 252 of 309 (459456)
03-07-2008 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by TheTruth
03-07-2008 4:30 PM


Re: responsibility for ego
It says so "All scripture is God breathed"
You realize this is circular reasoning, right? And that you'd never believe anything else was true on the sole basis that it says it is, right?
"The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true. When the Bible says that it's true it can't be lying because the Bible is true."
If you read a book, let's say the Harry Potter series, and the opening paragraph says "everything in these books is true, and literally happened," does that mean the events of the Harry Potter series actually happened? After all, it has to be true. It says so right there!

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Rahvin
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Message 254 of 309 (459469)
03-07-2008 6:48 PM
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03-07-2008 5:50 PM


Re: responsibility for ego
This would be an excelent point if it had any validity.
"This would be true if only it were not false?"
First of all the Bible has proven itself to be true and I am not going back into that argument check one of the forums we talked about it.
That's not the point. What you just said in the post up above is that "the Bible is true because the Bible says that the Bible is true." That is circular reasoning, and as such is invalid. I'm not commenting on whether or not the Bible has proven to be true outside of that. I am only stating that that single statement you made is logically invalid.
On top of that if you are to say that is circular reasononing take a step back and look at evolution its filled with circular reasoning.
The Theory of Evolution is not the topic here. "You do it too" is the tu quoque logical fallacy - what evolution does or does not state is irrelevant to your comment regarding the Bible's validity. Feel free to open a new topic if you would like to discuss circular reasoning in evolution.
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Ok, how do you know it was inspired by god?
It says so "All scripture is God breathed"
When you say this, you are using circular reasoning to conclude that the Bible is true. This method of reasoning is false, and as such your conclusion does not stand, even if the Bible were true. Your reason and logic are at fault, and so your argument is broken.

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Rahvin
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Message 260 of 309 (459546)
03-08-2008 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by TheTruth
03-07-2008 10:09 PM


Re: responsibility for ego
I never said that my theory wasn't circular, I was just pointing out that your theory is worse!
PWNED!
So, you just admitted that your reasoning is circular and thus your conclusions are falsified. Evolution is irrelevant to this discussion.
Edited by Rahvin, : Removed comment regarding childishness.

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